Stumped: strange 3rd gear boost fluctuation

Tooky

Serious about performance
I've got a strange problem that's been crippling my attempts to get new best runs at the track. This problem seems intermittent but always comes back to haunt me when I last want it to. Stock motor, stock ignition, 22-24 PSI boost with 93 octane and SMC alcohol injection, with chip tuning to lean out the fueling for target 11.4-11.8 AFR at WOT. I use a manual ball-spring BoostValve.com controller on the PT51 turbo with PTE downpipe/WG.

I'll be going down the track and suddenly notice the boost gauge fluttering like a "sine wave" and I can hear the turbo's pitch suddenly varying "ShhhwwwWWWssssWWWsssWW" if you get the idea. I can feel approximate 30-50HP power loss when this happens, and it noses off on Datamaster Dyno as well. My MPH are not what they should be, when this happens.

Here is my truck on a normal run:

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The boost control (pink) is just flawless and I've turned on WB02 AFR Datalogging (black line) to show that my AFR's are in check.

Here is a drag strip run, all was going well until the middle of 3rd, it's easy to spot the point where the boost (pink) started acting funny....all the way through 4th until I let off. On this run last year, I had it tuned around 12.0 with single nozzle alcohol.

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I added a second alcohol nozzle this year, and here's a run with it doing the same thing just hitting it on the street in 1st gear. It starts around 3rd gear.

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Finally, I have a Datamaster file from SyTy member "psmvchaser" and his appears to be doing the same thing! I contacted him to ask if he noticed it, and/or solved it, and I'm waiting to hear back.

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I changed plug wires and it seemed to go away for a few days.. then came right back. I'm thinking the plug wires actually had no effect and I was just imagining things. I had UR5 plugs at .027" gap and those have always worked in the past; I tried switching to UR6 at .025" and it was no better. I tried jumping down to UR6 at .022" and no change. The weird thing is, some days it will run just fine!?

A friend of mine owns a turbo shop and he suggested the problem may be the tiny air orifice in my brass BoostValve, and that I just need to drill it out a bit to solve this. Any thoughts? I was thinking fuel or ignition but both seem to be in check.

Thanks for the help guys. :)
 
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Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Stumped: strange 3rd gear boost fluctuation

At the stock 69 MPH. I thought about that too but I don't think that's what it is. Look at Picture #3, it starts fluctuating already at 55-60 MPH. I have some runs (not shown) where it does it right in 2nd gear where the converter is unlocked. But usually it is in 3rd/4th gear.

On Picture #2 (the drag strip run) I actually locked the converter right at the tree, so it was locked as soon as it hit 2nd. But you can see the fluctuation didn't start until the middle of 3rd.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Stumped: strange 3rd gear boost fluctuation

Not really. The boost control with the $40 boostvalve is flawless in the first picture.. So it makes me think this one has got what it takes.. Something is happening in the middle of the run that's changing the scenario. Maybe I should take my friend's advice and try drilling the orifice out; I just hate making irreversible modifications. And I don't see why the ball and spring would act differently right in the middle of a gear at WOT.
 

Turbo6

10.20@131.8
Re: Stumped: strange 3rd gear boost fluctuation

Josh can you send me the datamaster runs you show here so I can look at them?
 

vinnieTy

TY # 1889
Re: Stumped: strange 3rd gear boost fluctuation

I have noticed the same thing with my truck but not from the track just some street driving. I was told that it might be the wastegate (actuator). I hope you get it resolved, please keep this thread going if you find an answer.



thanks
 
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