TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Here is my present situation. If the torque converter were not engaged properly to the trans, will the truck not move when put into gear(drive)? I did pour in a quart of tranny fluid into the converter. Fluid level checks out ok on the dip stick. If the converter were not in all the way, would I hear some sort of noise that would indicate a problem? The bellhousing bolted up flush with the engine block.The engine starts up ok. No indications of the starter having problems turning over the engine. Only other thing I can think of is that I did install a billet servo kit at the same time. PEACE OUT>Tony
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

if the converter were not seated all the way in you would not have been able to put the trans flush with the motor. you would have had to pull the trans onto the eng with the bellhousing bolts.

if you busted the pump by doing this it will not make any noise. to test for this simply unbolt a trans cooler line from the rad and start it up. if you have fluid flow then your pump is working and you didnt break it. you dont need the servo for the truck to move in 1st gear. 2nd and 4th are what the servos are for.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Sy-Clone said:
Here is my present situation. If the torque converter were not engaged properly to the trans, will the truck not move when put into gear(drive)? I did pour in a quart of tranny fluid into the converter. Fluid level checks out ok on the dip stick. If the converter were not in all the way, would I hear some sort of noise that would indicate a problem? The bellhousing bolted up flush with the engine block.The engine starts up ok. No indications of the starter having problems turning over the engine. Only other thing I can think of is that I did install a billet servo kit at the same time. PEACE OUT>Tony

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40603

Let us know how long that billet servo lasts before your sprag breaks
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Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Thanks guys for the input. I will check as per the suggestiones offered. Will get back with the results asap. PEACE OUT>Tony
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

I undid the top tranny line on the rad and I noticed the tubing was dry like no fluid was flowing thru it. Does this mean the pump is smashed? What other things can I do to be sure? PEACE OUT>Tony
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Just stop there. If the tubing is dry and you can flow air through your lines(meaning the cooler is not plugged)then you've busted the pump. That link I sent has MANY issues that guys do wrong, what they looked like and how it behaves. IF you did any of them, just pull it out and see what you broke. You most likely smashed the pump rotor and damaged the pump innards. Like the link I sent you says:
Once the engine and trans are bolted together, you should be able to pull the TC out toward the engine 1/8" to 1/4". If you pulled the trans to the engine with the bolts and the TC was tight against the flywheel. It's too late.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

midnightbluS10 said:
He's in a 2wd Sonoma. No syty specific tranny in his truck.

Doesn't matter if it's syty specific or not, it's still a 700r4/4l60e setup.
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Does it also mean I trashed the torque converter also? PEACE OUT>Tony
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

It's very possible. What you basically did was turned the trans housing and engine into a huge press and smashed the torque converter and the pump rotor together with tons of pressure.At the least you've costed yourself a pump. Depending on your transmission endplay, you may have damaged the input drum as well. Your converter is gonna have to be checked. The clearances inside the converter are very important. Converter handle twisting well and certain designs handle inward fluid pressures well, but none of them where designed to be smashed. Expensive lesson. You're gonna have to pull it and have it rebuilt one way or another.
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

George Blake said:
It's very possible. What you basically did was turned the trans housing and engine into a huge press and smashed the torque converter and the pump rotor together with tons of pressure.At the least you've costed yourself a pump. Depending on your transmission endplay, you may have damaged the input drum as well. Your converter is gonna have to be checked. The clearances inside the converter are very important. Converter handle twisting well and certain designs handle inward fluid pressures well, but none of them where designed to be smashed. Expensive lesson. You're gonna have to pull it and have it rebuilt one way or another.
Holy @#$%&*! Just what I needed.Thanks for the enlightenment George. PEACE OUT>Tony
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Started pulling the tranny out and found a local guy who can build it up for what I want.
PEACE OUT>Tony
 

Jimmy

Banned
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Excellant post by Mike tha tI thought I'd put in this thread for future reference:

SY2932 said:
I'm sorry, did someone say my name
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Ah yes the good old "700-R4 pull", it is a milestone in syty ownership. However, you will only get partial credit from us "old timers" since the transmission hasn't been grenaded ;).

First off, as already mentioned, you won't have to completely remove the transmission from the truck to swap out the converter. You won't even have to remove the transfer case... Being that you have a new transmission pan, I would not put it on until after you have installed the new converter. I have a cast aluminum TCI pan for my truck and install the stocker anytime I have to do a pull so that it doesn't get beat up during the pull.

Before you install the new transmission filter, be sure that you get the old seal out of the bore. I have never seen one come out with the old filter. The best tool that I have used to remove it is one of those "lid poppers" that you get for removing the lids off metal cans of paint. Hit any sharp edges on it with a file or grinding stone so that you don't scratch the bore is you get a little careless.

If your transmission has never been messed with since it left the factory's hands, there will be a single TORX T40 button head cap screw holding the torque converter inspection plate in place. It will be on the same side as the propshaft. It is NOT a hex wrench. I have lost count of how many trucks have had this single screw mutilated. Strip out that one screw and the cover isn't coming off...

Removing the three bolts that hold the flexplate to the torque converter can be a royal pain. The factory applies a thread locking compound to the bolts to keep them from backing out. You need to do the same when you reinstall the bolts later. You want to use Loctite 262 or 271 which is red in color. If you try to just wrench the bolts loose, you will usually just end up turning over the motor... instead, get a wrench on the head of the bolt and hit it with a decent sized hammer. A brass, copper or dead blow hammer works best. To access the other bolts, the easiest way is to turn to motor over from the front with a big breaker bar. This is when having an extra pair of hands is nice.

Those flex sockets are nice, I have a set myself, but they or any other "regular" socket for that matter aren't going to do you any good when you get to the top stud that holds the downpipe bracket in place... A regular socket won't reach and a deep well one will be too long because it will hit the seam in the sheet metal of the fire wall. As myclone mentioned you will need a 9/16 inch socket to remove the bellhousing bolts. I have a "modified" 14 MM deep well socket that I use for my pulls:

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Before you cry foul and say "hey, you just said that the bolts are 9/16 inch!" 9/16 of an inch equals 14.2875 MM. I like using 14 MM since it gets a better bite on the bolts and they can be VERY stubborn. As you can see, my "special" deep well socket is approximately 45 MM (1 3/4 inch) long whereas a standard deep well socket in this size is 63.5 MM (2 1/2 inch) long. I made this socket myself by cutting it down with a cut off wheel and facing it in the lathe at work so the face was true.

This pic represents the modification that I did to my truck to address the sheet metal problem:

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"If you have ever pulled your own transmission before, you know what's up with this. Primed and painted afterwards..."

As far as the converter goes, be sure that the pilot on the converter is clean as outlined by my mentor, George Blake here. Also fill the coverter with at least two quarts of ATF before you install it. Wipe some ATF of the "snout" of the converter that goes into the transmisssion too.

Now this is a REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL. It will prevent you from CRUSHING THE PUMP and having to REMOVE the transmission because it will need to be TORN APART TO BE CLEANED.:

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With a straight edge across the front of the bellhousing, the distance to the mounting pads on the torque converter should be approximately 1 inch. Failure to do this properly will result in a CRUSHED PUMP and your transmission will HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND TORN APART TO BE CLEANED. Last year, there was a rash of folks who did this. So, it is not a difficult mistake to do by any means. Take your time when you install the new converter and tighten the three bolts down a little at a time as you go. It is time comsuming but it will prevent you from CRUSHING THE PUMP and having to REMOVE the transmission because it will need to be TORN APART TO BE CLEANED. I can't stress how important this step is. Just to clarify if you don't seat the torque converter properly, you will CRUSH THE PUMP and your transmission will HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND TORN APART TO BE CLEANED.
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

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The trans is almost out. Just need to remove the bolt just above the starter housing.The trans dipstick is in the way and that what's holding me up. PEACE OUT>Tony
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

How the hell do I remove the freakin dipstick tube from the trans? It seems like they glued it in.
PEACE OUT>Tony
 

Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Well the parts are starting to come in for the rebuild. PEACE OUT>Tony
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Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

I'm having it rebuilt here by a local racer. He says he can put it together so it can take my extra hp. I got the trans down today. The converter seems to be ok, don't know about the trans thou. Here are some pic's. PEACE OUT>Tony
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Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

Got the trans over to the builder today. Good news is the converter is ok but the pump is definately shot. I have a list of parts I will be ordering to build the tranny to my needs. PEACE OUT>Tony
 
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Sy-Clone

Boost Junkie
Re: TurboNoma won't go into gear(drive)

I finally found out today what was damaged in my tranny. The pump is broke but my builder says it can be repaired. The reverse input drum is no good. The rest of the trans is ok. I'll be ordering the rebuild kit within the next day or two. PEACE OUT>Tony
 
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