cloneman315
Active member
i talked with him 4over and hour he has done his homework it seems. Give him a shout and check them converters out have him send u a pick bad ass pieces.
Brian hartman 9 11 converters cool cat
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Syclone#1992
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Re: Brian hartman 9 11 converters cool cat
Let me try to translate.
I have talked with Brian Hartman for a while today. Apparently he has done his homework on these converters. Give him a call and check out his converters. He also has pictures he can send of these bad ass pieces.
I think that is what he meant to say? :roll:
cloneman315 said:
Let me try to translate.
I have talked with Brian Hartman for a while today. Apparently he has done his homework on these converters. Give him a call and check out his converters. He also has pictures he can send of these bad ass pieces.
I think that is what he meant to say? :roll:
cloneman315
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brian hartman
brian hartman
yes thats what i ment sorry n proof reading t here
brian hartman
yes thats what i ment sorry n proof reading t here
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
oh yeah? you wanna buy mine? $550 plus shipping, it has just over 1000 miles on it, IF that.
cloneman315
Active member
what converter is it
what converter is it
what 1 do u have
what converter is it
what 1 do u have
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
Re: what converter is it
Re: what converter is it
I have the older style I guess, normal 2800 stall build 9/11. at least thats what Rusty told me on the phone, and thats what Hartman suggested I get.
I actually wanna wait till I get my new turbo on and see if it reacts better with it, but right now im not happy with how it works with stock turbo/chip setup.
If your really interested, I will let you know if and when I do decide to change it, not sure if your in a rush or not, Im hoping to have the new turbo on by next month.
Re: what converter is it
cloneman315 said:
I have the older style I guess, normal 2800 stall build 9/11. at least thats what Rusty told me on the phone, and thats what Hartman suggested I get.
I actually wanna wait till I get my new turbo on and see if it reacts better with it, but right now im not happy with how it works with stock turbo/chip setup.
If your really interested, I will let you know if and when I do decide to change it, not sure if your in a rush or not, Im hoping to have the new turbo on by next month.
cloneman315
Active member
converter
converter
why dont u like it whats it do wrong and im in upstate ny any syty meets or anything
converter
why dont u like it whats it do wrong and im in upstate ny any syty meets or anything
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
Re: converter
Re: converter
I drive the truck on the street a lot. To me it feels like its too loose or something. I brought the truck to my tranny guy, he test drove it, and agreed it didnt feel quite right. My tranny guy spoke to Rusty at TCS, explained what was up, Rusty said he would build another converter and ship it (that was in mid November). I said ok, well I took the truck to the track on Nov 24th just to see what it would do, first time to the track since the truck was stolen, wanted to see if it still ran well. My previous best was 13.7 @ 92 (i had a built tranny before too). With the new trans and the 9/11, I ran a 13.7 @ 96 and a 13.8 @ 93 (i backed off).
So on the drag strip, there is no problem, which is why im thinking it might just be a lack of power or the turbo and the converter fighting about where the power band is on the street, which is why Im waiting to see whats gonna happen. If there is no change, Im calling brain, seeing what he suggests, but I refuse to have anymore downtime with this truck, so if something does need to be tweeked, Im most likely going with a different converter.
So like I said, not really sure if your in a rush, but I dont plan on driving the truck too much till the new turbo is on. Then I gotta see what happens.
As far as SyTy meets, about 10-15 of us are meeting up at Dave & Busters in West Nyack, NY on the 16th (next sunday). After that is the huge meet at the E-town swap meet on April 12th. You can find information about both these meets on the www.sy-ty.com forums, or you can PM me if you think you interested in attending.
Peace.
Re: converter
cloneman315 said:
I drive the truck on the street a lot. To me it feels like its too loose or something. I brought the truck to my tranny guy, he test drove it, and agreed it didnt feel quite right. My tranny guy spoke to Rusty at TCS, explained what was up, Rusty said he would build another converter and ship it (that was in mid November). I said ok, well I took the truck to the track on Nov 24th just to see what it would do, first time to the track since the truck was stolen, wanted to see if it still ran well. My previous best was 13.7 @ 92 (i had a built tranny before too). With the new trans and the 9/11, I ran a 13.7 @ 96 and a 13.8 @ 93 (i backed off).
So on the drag strip, there is no problem, which is why im thinking it might just be a lack of power or the turbo and the converter fighting about where the power band is on the street, which is why Im waiting to see whats gonna happen. If there is no change, Im calling brain, seeing what he suggests, but I refuse to have anymore downtime with this truck, so if something does need to be tweeked, Im most likely going with a different converter.
So like I said, not really sure if your in a rush, but I dont plan on driving the truck too much till the new turbo is on. Then I gotta see what happens.
As far as SyTy meets, about 10-15 of us are meeting up at Dave & Busters in West Nyack, NY on the 16th (next sunday). After that is the huge meet at the E-town swap meet on April 12th. You can find information about both these meets on the www.sy-ty.com forums, or you can PM me if you think you interested in attending.
Peace.
dont worrie about it morgan. i dont really like the way a 9/11 feels with a stock or mildly built motor. feels like you have to tach it way up to go anywhere. the 9/11 is a lot more fun when you have more cam.
FWIW id never put one on my daily driver, or on a truck with a stock motor.
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FWIW id never put one on my daily driver, or on a truck with a stock motor.
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Captain Morgan
Moderated User
clone, i sent u a PM
cloneman315
Active member
converter
converter
ok let me see the cash flow in the next 2 weeks my ass still aches from the pte kit i just bought
converter
ok let me see the cash flow in the next 2 weeks my ass still aches from the pte kit i just bought
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
ok, just let me know.
HighPerformanceTrucks
Lift & Shift Specialist
E-RUE said:
My motor is stock and I had the same problem until I upgraded the turbo.
Adam
the reason i wrote that is because i have totally changed my oppinion of big turbos/converters on stock trucks.
yes, you need more converter to spool a bigger turbo.
yes, a big converter sucks on a stock motor.
since my truck has been thru many combinations now, ive realized a much better way to get a bigger turbo to spool up, is to have a well matched parts combination with dead on the money tuning. i can easily get 20psi from my PT52 at just over 2000 RPM. a PT52 is a small turbo for my combination, but the fact is, small turbos are funner on the street.
if you wanna go fast for cheap, sure slap on a bigger turbo and a converter and you will go faster, but at the expense of drivability. there are a bunch of people here that will disagree with me, but this is my oppinion, and im sticking to it!
a stock motor is typically driven well below the stall point of a 9/11 converter making much of the usable RPM range mushy and not fun to drive at low speed. people will argue that we have TC lockup, but that only happens when your speed is already up (third gear), so we will ignore that for now. since it only applys to highway/ country roads.
example: your cam/engine makes power in the 0-4500 RPM range and you just installed a 9/11 converter that was susposed to stall around 2800, but actually stalls around 3200 when the turbo spools up, because we drive torque monster trucks. not very much fun
another example: you have a cam/engine that makes power in the 1500-5500 RPM range, and you have the same big turbo with the same converter. drivability is wonderful, because you have a motor that makes power in a range of rpm that is matched to the converter. more fun
there is also another consideration that i havnt mentioned yet. "transmission shift points" my waller built tranny has a much higher line pressure, and part throttle shifts as well as full throttle shifts have been pushed upwards, even though im using a stock govnor. part throttle shifts usually occur around 2500RPM. it was built like this to handle the power a bigger turbo makes, and these are the side affects. that doesnt mean they are bad. actually with my cam/motor combination, the higher part throlle shifts are great, because once again they better match the RPM range of the cam and also the 9/11 converter.
up until this point, everyone has been using a 412 (or smaller) cam because the lower duration, was easier to chip tune for. in my oppinion, you should choose a cam based on the effective RPM range that matches the rest of your combination, not how easy it is to chip tune. hopefully with all the new motor combinations coming out we will see readily available chip calibrations that work with the larger cams and larger injectors. i still cant say enough about how streetable the 512 cam is. a lot of people probably think its a shaking spitting monster cam, with poor drivability, but thats not the case at all. it has almost no lope at idle, and is MUCH more fun to drive when you have a turbo that requires a converter.
BTW there are calibrations for the stokes grind cam out right now. and im currently working on one for the mccoy 512 cam.
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yes, you need more converter to spool a bigger turbo.
yes, a big converter sucks on a stock motor.
since my truck has been thru many combinations now, ive realized a much better way to get a bigger turbo to spool up, is to have a well matched parts combination with dead on the money tuning. i can easily get 20psi from my PT52 at just over 2000 RPM. a PT52 is a small turbo for my combination, but the fact is, small turbos are funner on the street.
if you wanna go fast for cheap, sure slap on a bigger turbo and a converter and you will go faster, but at the expense of drivability. there are a bunch of people here that will disagree with me, but this is my oppinion, and im sticking to it!
a stock motor is typically driven well below the stall point of a 9/11 converter making much of the usable RPM range mushy and not fun to drive at low speed. people will argue that we have TC lockup, but that only happens when your speed is already up (third gear), so we will ignore that for now. since it only applys to highway/ country roads.
example: your cam/engine makes power in the 0-4500 RPM range and you just installed a 9/11 converter that was susposed to stall around 2800, but actually stalls around 3200 when the turbo spools up, because we drive torque monster trucks. not very much fun
another example: you have a cam/engine that makes power in the 1500-5500 RPM range, and you have the same big turbo with the same converter. drivability is wonderful, because you have a motor that makes power in a range of rpm that is matched to the converter. more fun
there is also another consideration that i havnt mentioned yet. "transmission shift points" my waller built tranny has a much higher line pressure, and part throttle shifts as well as full throttle shifts have been pushed upwards, even though im using a stock govnor. part throttle shifts usually occur around 2500RPM. it was built like this to handle the power a bigger turbo makes, and these are the side affects. that doesnt mean they are bad. actually with my cam/motor combination, the higher part throlle shifts are great, because once again they better match the RPM range of the cam and also the 9/11 converter.
up until this point, everyone has been using a 412 (or smaller) cam because the lower duration, was easier to chip tune for. in my oppinion, you should choose a cam based on the effective RPM range that matches the rest of your combination, not how easy it is to chip tune. hopefully with all the new motor combinations coming out we will see readily available chip calibrations that work with the larger cams and larger injectors. i still cant say enough about how streetable the 512 cam is. a lot of people probably think its a shaking spitting monster cam, with poor drivability, but thats not the case at all. it has almost no lope at idle, and is MUCH more fun to drive when you have a turbo that requires a converter.
BTW there are calibrations for the stokes grind cam out right now. and im currently working on one for the mccoy 512 cam.
e
InvisiBill
Active member
For what it's worth, my Sy had a regular V6 converter in when I bought it, ~1650. When I had the tranny rebuilt, I had a stock 2075 put in. Just driving it around, I can tell that it takes more to get the truck moving. I haven't spent much time at the track, much less before/after testing, but it doesn't seem to be different time-wise, just when I'm trying to get it going on the street...