BS3 Install on stock Typhoon

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So it's been on my todo list sence 05 for my Syclone build, and that build is on hold due to funds at this moment ive decided to focus on the Typhoon. My Ty has always been a goal to keep fairly stock and reliable as a daily driver and several hour trips. The mods are simply stock mods, 20g 14cm (forge gate), L35 heads, 50# Injectors, coil over's front and rear, trans has a HD rebuild and the engine is a stock rebuild with .030 speedpro's. I have only $700 in the stock rebuilt long block so I thought what a great test mule to learn BS3. I would rather learn on a $700 motor than a $7,000 motor in the Sy build. The Typhoon is healthy and ready for action with the BS3, I will document as much information in the thread as possible not only for myself but to help others who decide this may be the route for them.

My best prior to the engine rebuild was a 8.37@81mph with a ATR pitbull at 15psi. The mistake I made was not running the ATR chip in the 1/4mile before switching to an Ultimate stock injector chip. I was craving more boost and wanted to try it out and it just ran .30 slower in the 1/8th on T1 16psi. It was knocking from 10-14kr around the 1/8th through the end. I changed the FP up/down 5psi and no change. Best I could do was 13.5@98 at SAR. I was pissed, calm but pissed. I parked it and decided to pull the trigger on the BS3, I want the best for my SyTy's and this felt like the perfect opurtunity to learn. After seeing other's results with BS3 within the last 5-6yrs I have never been on the fence. I'll do this write up to let you guy's decide whats best for your build with my end results as I will follow all the way through with the tuning process.

I have limited time for working on the Ty but at this point im halfway there and decided I should share. I know others on here have BS3, not sure what systems or results as the few I do know of. Im running a standalone DAI with internal datalogger, I've decided I wanted a new harness and junk the stock old harness as hardly any of it will actually be used anyways. I will post pics and help with questions but I dont want this to turn into a debate for code59, turbotweak or other custom stock ECM tuning. I'd like this to be a go to thread for those who decide they want max effort out of there build and are not scared to tune themselves.
 
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0966Sy

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A little info I want to share before I get into how far I am on the install, If your curious how the tuning is done there is a good vid available from stevemorris racing. You can also download and read through the 130 page manual in PDF format from BS3 or buy and watch this video to get the right idea.

http://www.stevemorrisengines.com/st...uff-3-dvd.html

Reading the manual over will actually explain all the options available with the system. Also available for another $500 or so will get you the electronic trans control for a 60 or 80e in the same ECU. My system ran me $1850, about what you would spend on a turbo/downpipe upgrade not including a chip/injectors. My goal is to see how far I can take this mildly stock Ty. I could not get the PDF manual to work in a link for some reason, a google search will bring it right up
 
abes_sy

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Turbo tweak ,turbo tweak , turbo tweak!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joking, just joking!
 
0966Sy

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Just want to mention that I am OCD when it comes to my SyTy's. I take pride in my quality of work as I am a master ASE auto tech by trade. I like my SyTy's clean, there's nothing like working on a clean SyTy, I usually shower after work before working on my trucks so I dont get them dirty. Funny but true, seriously....

I started by removing the ECM and innovative WB02, continued on to remove the engine harness in it's complete uncut form. Took about two hours
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After studying a pin location diagram for the bulkhead fuse panel, I started sorting out engine inputs/connectors by labeling them. I sorted out the ecm wiring that will be reused to the bulkhead fuse panel. I am keeping A/C so what you see here is a rough layout of what will be reused from the engine harness. The mostly green harness in the back is the A/C harness that was connected to the engine harness, two wires have been cut at the ECM. More info on A/C system wiring when I get to it.
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0966Sy

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I started by laying out the BS3 harness, sorry dont have any pics of just the BS3. It's quite simple and very well layed out, all connectors are ready to plug in. My most concern was now that I have all the factory ECM and engine harness out of the way I need to find a location inside the truck that will work for the ECU and still reach all the sensor's at the engine through the factory engine harness hole in the firewall. Here is a rough pic I have through the firewall to make sure all the lenghts reach with no problem. I plan to orginize it up and put the factory heatsheild back on with some more heat protection added to the factory sheild, header wrap ect.

The wires that go to the bottom:
One is the WB02 harness and the other two are crank and cam sensor's (not used) I will wrap them up and tuck them under the evap box between the fenderwell.

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The grommet I added next to the antenna is the power harness to the ECU, it is plenty long enough to reach my under stock battery location. It also would have reached to the back of the Ty no problem.

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The ECU connectors are 3' from the bulkhead seal on the BS3 harness, so using the factory engine harness hole in the firewall I found the best place for the ECU is inside the center console lid. Easy access to hook up the cable for the laptop. And the most important I dont have to lay on my back in the floorboard working under the dash trying to stuff the ECU up in the stock ECM location. Not to mention how tight it is up behind the dash for all of it. The glove box was not an option because I use it more than the center console and the ECU is quite bigger than the factory ECM so trimming would have been required but possible.

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I also like how it only took me 30min to remove the passenger seat and center console, leaving alot of room to work. I trimmed part of the center console to allow the harness smooth transition into the center console and protected the edge's with some small vac line
 
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The engine side of the harness is simple, Im done with it for now and will tidy it all up once I get my bulkhead harness layed out cut, loomed and heatshrinked up. Some of it may flow right along with the BS3 harness so im holding off till I have time to go lay it all out and trial mark what lengths and where i'll run the harness. I picked up some wire loom very simular to the BS3 loom, no more damn split loom. I dont like that stuff on everything, it looks to messy. Although the headlamp harness will keep split loom. Some pics of how clean it is without all the factory wiring. This is pretty much my stopping point yesterday besides figuring out a couple wiring road bumps today.

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canadian

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Here's a link for Techflex: http://www.techflex.com/land_genpurp.asp

How are you removing the wires from the bulkhead connector? Are you just clipping them on the engine side, or completely removing them. If you're removing them, what did you use to get rid of the black goop they put inside to keep out corrosion?
 
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The EGR stays in place to fool the common emissions inspector, it is inoperative as the solinoid and wiring have been history.

That is the same style flex wrap I have for the harness. As far as the goup around the bulkhead connector that shit is staying there. I already made the mistake of touching it, dont know what that crap is made of but it's like super glue tar. There are few wires actually cut and not being used from the bulkhead connector on the engine side so I just have plans to leave the wires short and protected. Im not going through the trouble to remove that goup and pins from the connector. I just removed the plastic cover to gain better access to the wires.

I have a pinout diagram for the engine side bulkhead connector from eviltwins LS swap thread that is great for what wires need to go where. Alot easier to read than a wiring diagram from the service manual. I have absolutly no idea how to post it besides taking a picture of it. It can still be seen in the LS swap info thread. Thanks eviltwin!
 
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Made some steps backwards and forwards yesterday. I started by cleaning up the headlamp/ fog light harness. I found that the weatherpack connectors from the factory battery cable's are for power and ground to the ABS module. I have removed that wiring from the connectors up the harness, ABS has been gone for a while and just realized those where the last two wires left. I have also removed the ELC harness and cruise control harness. The fog lamp harness got integrated into the loom for the headlamp harness, I had the room after removing the ABS power and ground. While under the dash (removing the driver seat makes working under the dash so much easier) to remove the cruise control harness I decided to rewire my guages making the wiring cleaner and out of the way and relocating and cleaning up the wiring for the viper alarm. I hate when people do shit installs on alarms, this one was decent but not perfect imo so im making it easier to work up there in again. I should have taken a before and after pic of the wiring under the dash, ive spent hours and it shows my true OCD. What else can I say, I like it clean and orginized. Makes life easier

The cruise control had it's own brake switch next to the other, that has a vacuum line going to it. You will not be needing that switch and can be removed. The stop lamp side of the remaining switch will be used to trigger the internal data logger feature in the BS3 without the need of a laptop. With a switch I will activate that control at the lights while on the brake, when I release the brake the BS3 starts recording untill I hit the brake again. Datalogging my run without a laptop.

I have also decided to remove the factory cat and put a 2.5" test pipe in it's place from the DP to the ATR exhuast. I plan to mount the WB02 for the BS3 in this pipe to avoid having someone weld on the DP while in the truck or using the stock 02 bung which is to close to the heat and will shorten the life of the sensor. And removing the stock DP is just to much of a pain in the ass! I will buy a extra WB02 sensor and once a year i'll remove the testpipe and put the cat back on for emissions test. Using the stock 02 bung for the WB for the test then back on with the pipe.

Other than that, i've been double checking my notes on my diagrams for the TCC, Air conditioning and factory bulkhead harness before laying it out into the truck and finalizing it.
 
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0966Sy

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Havent had the time to take the next step of the install (stock harness wiring, Trans lock-up, and A/C) Been way to busy with two other customer's trucks, one was completely unexpected so im way to behind anything SyTy. These two trucks will be done this august and Im taking september off from anything SyTy. Come october it will be nice and cool and the BS3 will get finished up quickly. Plan to add as much detail as possible with all wiring to help anyone in the future and myself do it again in the future. Hang in there I'll be back......
 
bezerk

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there was alot of text. but why have you went with BS3? you can go 10's with a stock ECM. prolly faster than that?
 
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bezerk said:
there was alot of text. but why have you went with BS3? you can go 10's with a stock ECM. prolly faster than that?
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I want new technology, somthing that uses a WBO2 for closed loop fueling. And I want to tune it myself and not have to change the tune everytime I change somthing on the truck or when the seasons change. Im not going to debate my reasons for not spending almost the same amount of money for the BS3 rather than code59 or the turbotweak chip. Not to mention what you get with the BS3 is not even comparable to them. And who has gone 10's with a code59 or turbotweak chip, and they are quite the fad right now?
 
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it's your money, if i got traction i'm running 10's with stock ECM on code 58. 1.86s 60 ft 11.3
sorry for me asking. enjoy your project
 
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bezerk said:
it's your money, if i got traction i'm running 10's with stock ECM on code 58. 1.86s 60 ft 11.3
sorry for me asking. enjoy your project
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The multichips do not provide closed loop WOT fueling, not an option for me anymore. I anwered your question, why I decided to go BS3? You say it's "my money" I spent $1850 on this setup and nothing more. Add up everything you need to tune the factory ECM effectively and you easily approach 2000 by hundreds.
 
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