Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

InvisiBill

Active member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

Keep in mind that I have no real world experience with coatings or wraps, just what I've read.

I've read that wrapping or only coating the outside of the piece puts a lot more stress on the metal. The heat goes from the exhaust into the metal, then can't move out to the atmosphere. It does keep your engine bay cooler, but is harder on the exhaust parts.

If you coat the inside of the pieces, then you're keeping the heat in the exhaust gas. There's not as much heat going into the metal in the first place. But with internally coated headers, any flaking is going to go right into your turbo...

One last wrap vs. coating thing... I've heard of wraps soaking up spills and eventually catching fire. You're probably taking good enough care of your truck that you'd notice that before it burst into flames, but it's something to keep in mind.
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

First is cost... wrap wins by a landslide here.

Next... I've seen coated headers peal. Not sure who's coating pealed or if they all do eventually but I have seen it on numerous occasions. Wrap seems to be pretty solid. Do it once right and you'll never have to mess with it again. Even if you do, it's worth the savings IMO.

I don't mind the looks of the wrap and think that if you have a part that can be wrapped go that route. If it's a part that can't be wrapped I would say to look into coating.
 

bigtime

Sy-Ty Builder
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

I ceramic coat everything inside and out. Use 2000* black/blue (non polished for headers and the down pipe). I use the silver for all of my intake piping, intake manifolds, and intercoolers. I won't get into it here but there are also friction coatings for the internal engine parts. And for this flaking therory of breaking turbo impellers, i have never seen proof of it but i will tell you of the twin turbo race truck we have that we used the low temp coating on, it blistered like a monster but the turbos are fine.
Wrap? i think it looks cheesy and it does fatique the metal. oil on it and fire starting? You shouldn't have any leaks!

Am i a myth buster now?
 

Maxtor

New member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

I wrapped the down pipe on my last truck with a PTE setup. It did look cheesy but it significantly cut down on the heat transferred to the engine bay. You could actually touch the down pipe after a run without it burning you. The truck I have now has coated headers/down pipe.... can't really tell if it keeps any heat from being transferred to the engine bay but it does look a lot better than rusty pipes!
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

I don't really have a solid opinion on either. Seems like both have drawbacks and there isn't a clear cut winner.

I own coated headers & they always seem to flake, at least on the outside. Haven't really looked at the inside. And they're not even on a turbo application, so they probably don't see nearly the intensity of heat. Maybe its just cheap coatings, I don't know.

Header wrap definitely has drawbacks too. It does cause the header tubing to see higher temperatures (like was said above) which isn't good (read the disclaimer any of the wrap manufacturers has on their product). Only experience I have with wrap was on Formula SAE race cars, and they never saw real street duty, and usually only had a couple dozen hours on them by the time they were replaced by the next years car.

One area of intrigue is the fact that many light airplane engine installations use wrap. If it was really a serious fatigue problem, I'd think they'd be real concerned about it. And if it was a serious fire concern, I'd bet they'd have a better solution.

Which leads me to the next item: Sealer.
I've also seen several "sealing" products available for header wrap. Some products carried by Summit and such look just like paint to change the color. The airplane stuff (which may or may not be any different) is supposed to be a sealer, which keeps stuff like oil from soaking into the wrap. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty is where I've seen it. Which means it should pose a smaller fire hazard than a coated header, because the oil can't get into intimate contact with the hot steel & flash off.

Just some thoughts to throw out at you.

'Dreamin'
 

bezerk

New member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

i might be completly of.. but i doubt that coating or wrapping will cause more stress.

the cracking is caused my fast heat transfer..pipes are getting wider..and than it will shrink real fast...after getting cold.
some places are keeping in more heat than others..
i think coating it or wrapping it will help to get the temp. dropping more equal..
 

NateP

Money Pit Member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

I just had my stock manifolds swain coated www.swaintech.com They look great, and I got a warranty for the coating which according to some other members here holds up forever. Price was $225 for both manifolds and crossover, and its not paint, but real ceramic.

Nate
 

SEL777

One of 101
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

NateP said:
I just had my stock manifolds swain coated www.swaintech.com They look great, and I got a warranty for the coating which according to some other members here holds up forever. Price was $225 for both manifolds and crossover, and its not paint, but real ceramic.

Nate

Are these coated inside and out?
 

mrweelr

New member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

I'm having a local guy coat the outside of the ATR headers and crossover:

http://www.replikamaschinen.com/05_arti/sms-thermalcoatings/index.html

For the downpipe, I'm on the fence. Some trucks don't have anything on the DP, other's are coated or wrapped. Based on the feedback here, I'll probably just have the three downpipe pieces coated along with the headers. For the upper IC pipe, I plan on using the Thermotec wrap, spray coating, and snapstraps to keep the heat out.

Found a place in Oakland that will cryo the headers for $250. Gonna drop them off tomorrow, turnaround time is 3 days. I also found a local fabricator that's going to make a support bracket with heim joints to go between the AC bracket and passenger-side header. When it's all said and done, I'm looking at almost $2000 invested in headers...ugh.
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

mrweelr said:
I'm having a local guy coat the outside of the ATR headers and crossover:

http://www.replikamaschinen.com/05_arti/sms-thermalcoatings/index.html

Seriously, who's turbo compressor housing looks like this?

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NateP

Money Pit Member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

Just the outside.. for now. Im looking into a "smoother" ceramic finish for the inside. The swain material is supposed to be able to flex and expand as the parts heat up, unlike high temp paints that will start to flake after expanding and shrinking over and over. Also I had them remove a bunch of rust, added about $35 to the order.

Nate
 

93ty475

Donating Member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

I wrapped my 3" downpipe and the hot side of my PTE turbo....my #6 wire was laying across a portion of my downpipe for a while and it didn't even begin to burn it...I encourage anyone with a coated downpipe to try and touch the DP after a run :lol: .....As far as oil leaks are concerned, I wouldn't even drive my truck around if I knew I had an oil leak...Really, what kind of oil leak would soak the DP with oil? Oil would have to be spraying out of your valve cover gasket to soak a wrapped downpipe......Underhood heat is way down now....My 3" downpipe cost me a $24.00 Ubend, 3 hours of my time and a six pack of bud light, so if it decides to crack I'll just make another one.....IMO Wrapping your DP > Not wrapping your DP
 

mrweelr

New member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

A mini-extinguisher in the center console solves the oil leak issue. Anyone know why the RPM downpipe is three pieces instead one? I'm thinking of having all the joints welded up after I get it all put in place...less clamps to deal with and would make coating or wrapping easier.
 

93ty475

Donating Member
Re: Coat or wrap downpipe - any difference?

mrweelr said:
Anyone know why the RPM downpipe is three pieces instead one?

I don't know RPM's reason but being one piece, my homemade DP will not come out unless I remove the turbo from the stock manifold....Turbo is in the way....splitting the DP in half would allow it to come out without removal of the turbo I would imagine....
 
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