Code59/tunerpro help
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Re: Code59/tunerpro help
Well first of all I can't seem to get the auto tune download to work. It keeps saying failure. However I'm not that computer savvy when it comes to this type of thing so I may be doing something wrong.
My truck was previously tuned with 59 by a professional. he emailed me the tune file and I can't even seem to get things right to even load it up to look at it on my laptop.
I've made changes to the setup since then so the tune needs to be re evaluated.
I really just don't know what I'm doing.
Well first of all I can't seem to get the auto tune download to work. It keeps saying failure. However I'm not that computer savvy when it comes to this type of thing so I may be doing something wrong.
My truck was previously tuned with 59 by a professional. he emailed me the tune file and I can't even seem to get things right to even load it up to look at it on my laptop.
I've made changes to the setup since then so the tune needs to be re evaluated.
I really just don't know what I'm doing.
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mattw
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Re: Code59/tunerpro help
To start off, make sure you have the latest version of Tuner Pro. You can download it here:
http://www.tunerpro.net/download/SetupTunerProFree_v500_8853.exe
Next, grab these XDF and ADX files:
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/code59/Code59_3Bar_1.6_V25 TP5 ONLY.xdf
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/code59/MattWCustomDashTP5 2 Monitors.adx
I suggest you make a folder someone on your PC called code59 and put all the relevant files in there.
Install and load the latest version of TunerPro. Go to XDF->Select XDF. Then browse to the XDF file you downloaded and select it.
Now go to Acquisition->Load Definition File. Then browse to the ADX file you downloaded and select it.
Then go to File->Open Bin and select the BIN file you have.. Again I'd put all 3 of these files in a folder somewhere..
If/when you get that far LMK and I'll help you with the AutoTune part..
To start off, make sure you have the latest version of Tuner Pro. You can download it here:
http://www.tunerpro.net/download/SetupTunerProFree_v500_8853.exe
Next, grab these XDF and ADX files:
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/code59/Code59_3Bar_1.6_V25 TP5 ONLY.xdf
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/code59/MattWCustomDashTP5 2 Monitors.adx
I suggest you make a folder someone on your PC called code59 and put all the relevant files in there.
Install and load the latest version of TunerPro. Go to XDF->Select XDF. Then browse to the XDF file you downloaded and select it.
Now go to Acquisition->Load Definition File. Then browse to the ADX file you downloaded and select it.
Then go to File->Open Bin and select the BIN file you have.. Again I'd put all 3 of these files in a folder somewhere..
If/when you get that far LMK and I'll help you with the AutoTune part..
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
i kept messing with it last night and eventually tunerpro went from being blank to having a separate box on the left that says parameter tree, and in parameter tree it has scalar, flags, and tables.
i dont know if that means i got my old tune to load or not
i downloaded RT off of the tunerpro website yesterday. i noticed the link you provided is not RT....does that matter? i downloaded it anyway, but i see it doesn't have "acquisition" at the top but RT does.
so i followed those instructions, each time i selected XDF, ADX, and also my tune nothing happened.
nothing changed on the tunerpro screen.
i kept messing with it last night and eventually tunerpro went from being blank to having a separate box on the left that says parameter tree, and in parameter tree it has scalar, flags, and tables.
i dont know if that means i got my old tune to load or not
i downloaded RT off of the tunerpro website yesterday. i noticed the link you provided is not RT....does that matter? i downloaded it anyway, but i see it doesn't have "acquisition" at the top but RT does.
so i followed those instructions, each time i selected XDF, ADX, and also my tune nothing happened.
nothing changed on the tunerpro screen.
mattw
Active member
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
If you have an emulator than you want the RT version.. Sorry, didn't think about that.
The XDF defines what parameters will be available in that tree and tells TunerPro where that data is stored in the bin. If you expand Tables, for example, you can select a table and see what data is in it.
The ADX defines the datastream that comes from the ECM and tells TunerPro how to display that data.
Have you gone through the Code59 PowerPoints? If not it would probably be a good idea.
I put them here as well as a file I keep with my tuning notes:
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/code59/docs/
If you have an emulator than you want the RT version.. Sorry, didn't think about that.
The XDF defines what parameters will be available in that tree and tells TunerPro where that data is stored in the bin. If you expand Tables, for example, you can select a table and see what data is in it.
The ADX defines the datastream that comes from the ECM and tells TunerPro how to display that data.
Have you gone through the Code59 PowerPoints? If not it would probably be a good idea.
I put them here as well as a file I keep with my tuning notes:
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/code59/docs/
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
No worries.
Ok so that makes sense I understand Xdf and adx now.
I have gone through the PowerPoints some however I didn't want to get to far ahead of myself before I got the system Atleast functioning correctly and then get it hooked up and talking.
Emulator and aldl will be here tomorrow sometime but in the mean time I wanted to get the system going and start learning the basics of how to use it.
I am quite familiar with tuning in the sense of timing, knock, afr's what's safe a whats not etc it's just that I lve always done it the old school way, with fuel press and manual dist adjustment, listen for detonation etc.
So even though this is a whole new experience working with a computer to tune, the basics are not new to me. However looking at tables and such will definitely be a different experience.
Can you try downloading the auto tune and see if the Download works for you. That will tell me if im doing something wrong or if the links are bad. Oh and also which one, as I see there are many to choose from.
Btw thanks for the link to the PowerPoint. The one I was using was on slide gur.com and is a total pita to access.
Oh also, did I read somewhere that you made your own changes to the fuel mapping f29 I think it was and made it have more tables or something? I can't remember if the thread was on Syty or 59 forums but I swore I saw something along those lines
No worries.
Ok so that makes sense I understand Xdf and adx now.
I have gone through the PowerPoints some however I didn't want to get to far ahead of myself before I got the system Atleast functioning correctly and then get it hooked up and talking.
Emulator and aldl will be here tomorrow sometime but in the mean time I wanted to get the system going and start learning the basics of how to use it.
I am quite familiar with tuning in the sense of timing, knock, afr's what's safe a whats not etc it's just that I lve always done it the old school way, with fuel press and manual dist adjustment, listen for detonation etc.
So even though this is a whole new experience working with a computer to tune, the basics are not new to me. However looking at tables and such will definitely be a different experience.
Can you try downloading the auto tune and see if the Download works for you. That will tell me if im doing something wrong or if the links are bad. Oh and also which one, as I see there are many to choose from.
Btw thanks for the link to the PowerPoint. The one I was using was on slide gur.com and is a total pita to access.
Oh also, did I read somewhere that you made your own changes to the fuel mapping f29 I think it was and made it have more tables or something? I can't remember if the thread was on Syty or 59 forums but I swore I saw something along those lines
mattw
Active member
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
I wish I knew how to edit the code of a bin and make those sorts of changes.. What you probably remember reading is that a single main fuel table was created so that you don't have to edit multiple tables.. I don't recall if Dig did that or someone else..
Here is a screenshot of how you get to that table.. Its called F29x..
I wish I knew how to edit the code of a bin and make those sorts of changes.. What you probably remember reading is that a single main fuel table was created so that you don't have to edit multiple tables.. I don't recall if Dig did that or someone else..
Here is a screenshot of how you get to that table.. Its called F29x..
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
Oh I forgot to mention I got my old tune file opened. Just been kinda going through and looking at stuff seeing what's what.
On the timing table It only goes to 4800, what do you do if you plan to spin it higher, which I do?
Oh ok that must be it. As I was talking with a buddy that does tuning with hp tuners today we were kind of looking for that 3d graph table. He said for him on the ls stuff with hp it was easier working with multiple tables because you can smooth things out a lot more, instead of only being stuck with one table and trying to skew it all in one table. Or something like that. I'm learning ok haha
However for a beginner making one table instead of many does seem like it would help in learning to start
Oh I forgot to mention I got my old tune file opened. Just been kinda going through and looking at stuff seeing what's what.
On the timing table It only goes to 4800, what do you do if you plan to spin it higher, which I do?
Oh ok that must be it. As I was talking with a buddy that does tuning with hp tuners today we were kind of looking for that 3d graph table. He said for him on the ls stuff with hp it was easier working with multiple tables because you can smooth things out a lot more, instead of only being stuck with one table and trying to skew it all in one table. Or something like that. I'm learning ok haha
However for a beginner making one table instead of many does seem like it would help in learning to start
I wish I knew how to edit the code of a bin and make those sorts of changes.. What you probably remember reading is that a single main fuel table was created so that you don't have to edit multiple tables.. I don't recall if Dig did that or someone else..
Here is a screenshot of how you get to that table.. Its called F29x..
mattw
Active member
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
Which AutoTune are you trying to use? There are 3 that I know of..
* The spreadsheet
* The App that Renz wrote
* The Web Based version that I wrote..
Clearly I prefer the version I made. You can access it here:
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/cgi-bin/AutoTune.pl
Its pretty straight forward but if you have any questions just let me know..
Which AutoTune are you trying to use? There are 3 that I know of..
* The spreadsheet
* The App that Renz wrote
* The Web Based version that I wrote..
Clearly I prefer the version I made. You can access it here:
http://mattw2.dyndns.org:81/cgi-bin/AutoTune.pl
Its pretty straight forward but if you have any questions just let me know..
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mattw
Active member
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
I think it just sits static at the last value of the table as long as there is no knock or anything.. I spin my engine up to 6k with Code59 and it works fine..
I think it just sits static at the last value of the table as long as there is no knock or anything.. I spin my engine up to 6k with Code59 and it works fine..
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
Wellll.....uh I'm not sure lol. I was trying to download from 59 forum not knowing what it was that I wanted, I went to downloads, auto tune and selected the bottom one where it says 1.7 and it didn't work. ....So I tried a bunch of other stuff since I had no clue what I was doing, however I kept getting failure- forbidden messages.
I suppose I can try out the one you wrote. I was going to ask what the difference was between the 3 but I bet that's quite a loaded question haha.
By the way how or where did you host that pic of the table that you posted above?
I've always used photobucket to host but it's such a pita to use that site now. So I dang near refuse to try and post pics on forums now.
also, is there a way to hook my lc1 up without wiring it into the pcm? i ive been kinda ooking around to answer that question but i havent found what i was looking for yet
i know it has a datalog or analog or something on it somewhere to hook up to a computer.
Wellll.....uh I'm not sure lol. I was trying to download from 59 forum not knowing what it was that I wanted, I went to downloads, auto tune and selected the bottom one where it says 1.7 and it didn't work. ....So I tried a bunch of other stuff since I had no clue what I was doing, however I kept getting failure- forbidden messages.
I suppose I can try out the one you wrote. I was going to ask what the difference was between the 3 but I bet that's quite a loaded question haha.
By the way how or where did you host that pic of the table that you posted above?
I've always used photobucket to host but it's such a pita to use that site now. So I dang near refuse to try and post pics on forums now.
also, is there a way to hook my lc1 up without wiring it into the pcm? i ive been kinda ooking around to answer that question but i havent found what i was looking for yet
i know it has a datalog or analog or something on it somewhere to hook up to a computer.
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
EDIT nevermind i was being simple minded. i get it now, web based version.
i clicked your link but it didnt work it said website cant be reached. i found your sticky on 59 forum and that link worked....strange
i think a non web based would be easier to access if it was something i could download that way on the fly where i don't have internet access i can still access it.
EDIT nevermind i was being simple minded. i get it now, web based version.
i clicked your link but it didnt work it said website cant be reached. i found your sticky on 59 forum and that link worked....strange
i think a non web based would be easier to access if it was something i could download that way on the fly where i don't have internet access i can still access it.
mattw
Active member
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
As far as the AutoTunes go.. For the longest time there wasn't one that worked with TunerPro5.. When I got into tuning a couple years ago I hated trying to manually edit the VE table so I started working on my web-based auto-tune.. I was trying to figure out exactly how the spreadsheet based version worked so I sent a copy to Renz and started picking his brain(he knows excel way better than I).. After we started digging into it he suggested that he could probably fix it and make it work with TP5 so he did.. I was like 90% done with my web based version at that point so I went ahead and finished it up anyway..
Then Renz decided that he could make an app that did the same thing as my web based tool.. I sent him my source code and he basically ported it over to a Windows app.. Renz's app and my web tool will give you the exact same results..
I hosted that picture on a server that I have at my house.. I have the web directory set up as a windows share so I just saved the file to that location then added the link to my post..
You absolutely need to wire that lc1 into the ECM.. Every autotune app uses the data from the WB to make the VE table changes.. Also, you can put code59 into closed loop and it will make AFR corrections based on the readings that WB sensor is providing..
As far as the AutoTunes go.. For the longest time there wasn't one that worked with TunerPro5.. When I got into tuning a couple years ago I hated trying to manually edit the VE table so I started working on my web-based auto-tune.. I was trying to figure out exactly how the spreadsheet based version worked so I sent a copy to Renz and started picking his brain(he knows excel way better than I).. After we started digging into it he suggested that he could probably fix it and make it work with TP5 so he did.. I was like 90% done with my web based version at that point so I went ahead and finished it up anyway..
Then Renz decided that he could make an app that did the same thing as my web based tool.. I sent him my source code and he basically ported it over to a Windows app.. Renz's app and my web tool will give you the exact same results..
I hosted that picture on a server that I have at my house.. I have the web directory set up as a windows share so I just saved the file to that location then added the link to my post..
You absolutely need to wire that lc1 into the ECM.. Every autotune app uses the data from the WB to make the VE table changes.. Also, you can put code59 into closed loop and it will make AFR corrections based on the readings that WB sensor is providing..
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
ok got it got it and got it
so this is what i gather...
lc1 wiring
The BLUE and WHITE wires should all be grounded together to a solid ground source. The best possible ground source would be the battery ground (-) post.
6. Optionally, the YELLOW (Analog out 1) and/or BROWN (Analog out 2) can be connected to the analog inputs of other devices such as data loggers, ECUs, or gauges. If either one or both of these wires are not being used, isolate and tape the wire(s) out of the way.
The analog outputs can be programmed, see chapter titled “Programming the Analog
Outputs”. The default analog outputs are as follows: Analog output one is 1.1V = 14 AFR and .1V = 15 AFR. This is a simulated narrow band signal.
Analog output two is setup as 0V = 7.35 AFR and 5V = 22.39 AFR. The
analog outputs can be programmed with the provided software
Note: The LC-1’s heater ground and system ground wires should share the same
grounding location as the device to which you are feeding the analog outputs to
wire white ground into B9
wire brown analog 2 to F14?
based off what these guys are saying
http://www.code59.org/index.php?topic=7338.msg7338#msg7338
although it almost sounds like either white and blue should both be connected to B9 or neither should?
.
ok got it got it and got it
so this is what i gather...
lc1 wiring
The BLUE and WHITE wires should all be grounded together to a solid ground source. The best possible ground source would be the battery ground (-) post.
6. Optionally, the YELLOW (Analog out 1) and/or BROWN (Analog out 2) can be connected to the analog inputs of other devices such as data loggers, ECUs, or gauges. If either one or both of these wires are not being used, isolate and tape the wire(s) out of the way.
The analog outputs can be programmed, see chapter titled “Programming the Analog
Outputs”. The default analog outputs are as follows: Analog output one is 1.1V = 14 AFR and .1V = 15 AFR. This is a simulated narrow band signal.
Analog output two is setup as 0V = 7.35 AFR and 5V = 22.39 AFR. The
analog outputs can be programmed with the provided software
Note: The LC-1’s heater ground and system ground wires should share the same
grounding location as the device to which you are feeding the analog outputs to
wire white ground into B9
wire brown analog 2 to F14?
based off what these guys are saying
http://www.code59.org/index.php?topic=7338.msg7338#msg7338
although it almost sounds like either white and blue should both be connected to B9 or neither should?
.
mattw
Active member
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
That should work. I don't recall exactly where the B9 wire goes to get grounded but it should be sufficient..
That should work. I don't recall exactly where the B9 wire goes to get grounded but it should be sufficient..
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
Ok cool I don't know if I will be able to get the wideband hooked up in the next few days since I'll have to locate pins to add Into the ecm plug. Dang I could have grabbed some and the wrecking yard yesterday If I had thought about it.
I just saw the pic of your 4dr in your wheel refinishing thread. Looks awesome!
I assume to make the custom parts you took multiple old cladding parts and pieces to add them together? I'm curious what you used to bond or attach everybody together?
I ask because I've been trying to repair some of my cracked and broken pieces by having them plastic welded and Im having the hardest time finding the right kind of welding rod that will adhere properly. So far I've spent a fair amount of money buying rod that would just peel right off after. I'm having a professional plastic welder do it also.
Ok cool I don't know if I will be able to get the wideband hooked up in the next few days since I'll have to locate pins to add Into the ecm plug. Dang I could have grabbed some and the wrecking yard yesterday If I had thought about it.
I just saw the pic of your 4dr in your wheel refinishing thread. Looks awesome!
I assume to make the custom parts you took multiple old cladding parts and pieces to add them together? I'm curious what you used to bond or attach everybody together?
I ask because I've been trying to repair some of my cracked and broken pieces by having them plastic welded and Im having the hardest time finding the right kind of welding rod that will adhere properly. So far I've spent a fair amount of money buying rod that would just peel right off after. I'm having a professional plastic welder do it also.
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Code59/tunerpro help
A ECM ground pin is much better since the signal is being measured in the ECM only inches away.
A body ground would have to travel to the firewall to the firewall ground strap to the engine, to the front intake bolt, back through the ECM ground wiring. Its a good 10-12 feet path of wiring, sheets metal, cylinder head plus 5 bolt connections. Each transition will add resistance, place for future corrosion (failure) and adds a voltage drop affecting the measured signal.
A ECM ground pin is much better since the signal is being measured in the ECM only inches away.
A body ground would have to travel to the firewall to the firewall ground strap to the engine, to the front intake bolt, back through the ECM ground wiring. Its a good 10-12 feet path of wiring, sheets metal, cylinder head plus 5 bolt connections. Each transition will add resistance, place for future corrosion (failure) and adds a voltage drop affecting the measured signal.