is the 4l80e the way to go?

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maty111

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about a month ago i was cruzing along and my sy scraped a manwhole cover and did some damage. to make a long story short, the housing for the tranny is cracked down the middle.

my question is... what would u do?

I am on a budget(dont really know what that is)i dont mind going the extra mile. I just hate paying full price for anything. so if i get a good deal on anything, it just makes me feal alot better. I know im not the only guy that thinks that way.

I just hate doing things twice. should i just put a 4l80e in? is that always the way to go? I could just replace the 700. truck has the stock turbo, so its not a power house. I just dont want to have to do it again.

matt
 
SY#2910

SY#2910

Banned
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

4L80E is deffinitly the way to go. Its on my next major mode list. :lol: However. Its not cheap. Look to spend $4500-$5000 but you will never have to worry about it again....:cool:

Will




maty111 said:
about a month ago i was cruzing along and my sy scraped a manwhole cover and did some damage. to make a long story short, the housing for the tranny is cracked down the middle.

my question is... what would u do?

I am on a budget(dont really know what that is)i dont mind going the extra mile. I just hate paying full price for anything. so if i get a good deal on anything, it just makes me feal alot better. I know im not the only guy that thinks that way.

I just hate doing things twice. should i just put a 4l80e in? is that always the way to go? I could just replace the 700. truck has the stock turbo, so its not a power house. I just dont want to have to do it again.

matt
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JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

4l80e = almost bullet proof, better drivability, high initial conversion cost

700r4/4l60 = cheaper to fix today, no conversion, depending on your goals can be made to last IF you find the right person and the moon is in the right phase.
 
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100in6

100in6
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

why would you do a 4l80e on a stock motor stock turbo vehicle? the reason to go that route is because you want the strength of a th400 with an overdrive. if i were you i would just have your 700 rebuilt with a new case. keeps the same converter and makes life a lot easier and there's no reason a 700 won't hold up on a stock truck. big power i would agree with the 80, but not for a stock motor.

get yourself a new case, use the same converter, stick the hard part innards back in, go for new clutches and such, and drive the thing.

you don't need to go to all the expense and WORK... and yes, it is is a lot of work to fit an 80 in. like new converter, modifying the driveshaft, new adaptor for the awd, plus all the work on a decent 80.

fix your tran and enjoy you car.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

Banned
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

100in6 said:
why would you do a 4l80e on a stock motor stock turbo vehicle? the reason to go that route is because you want the strength of a th400 with an overdrive. if i were you i would just have your 700 rebuilt with a new case. keeps the same converter and makes life a lot easier and there's no reason a 700 won't hold up on a stock truck. big power i would agree with the 80, but not for a stock motor.

get yourself a new case, use the same converter, stick the hard part innards back in, go for new clutches and such, and drive the thing.

you don't need to go to all the expense and WORK... and yes, it is is a lot of work to fit an 80 in. like new converter, modifying the driveshaft, new adaptor for the awd, plus all the work on a decent 80.

fix your tran and enjoy you car.
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I don't see you needing more than a good 700 build.You can get a good one from JWaller for less than 2k.
 
QUICK STORM

QUICK STORM

B.A.M.F. BMW Tech
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

100in6 said:
hey... did i just get called stupid... or did i get agreed with... :(
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i think you were agreed with. i also would go with a 700r4, unless you plan to go a high horsepower build later, and get the trans out of the way.
 
canadian

canadian

sy in progress
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

depends on your long-term goals. going 80e won't fix the problem of smashing the crap out of your trans if you do the same thing again. if the internals in the trans are fine you could probably find a new case and just swap everything over.

if you plan on going fast in the future or doing a big build, go with an 80e now.
 
dgoodhue

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

What are your plans for the truck and mods? If its including leaving mostly stock, a 4L80E is overkill. If your planning on going 10's by all means do the conversion...
 
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maty111

Member
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

thanks for all the replys.

yes my truck is stock and a 700 would be fine. I might actually talk to waller about a trany. thanks

im sure its not going to stay stock forever. actually once i have room in the garage i plan to take my time and do a nice build. but who knows how long that will take.
 
Ian Turgeon

Ian Turgeon

Cascading Inspiration
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

Then again theres the rest of us that drive stockish trucks and blow up trannies left and right. I'm on my 3rd and wont spend another dime on a 700
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

100in6 said:
why would you do a 4l80e on a stock motor stock turbo vehicle?
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The local test truck went through 3 trannies in 3 months. That is one reason.

Granted I don't think a 4l80e is for everybody. The stock turbo/motor truck we used for 4l80e testing is being pushed to limits. But to say a stock turbo truck never needs it is not a good reason. I purely depends on users plans in future, mods, how they drive, budget, etc.
 
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100in6

100in6
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

the last 700 i put in my sy went 10.20's. it has been in for over 2 years now and mark runs the piss out of it on the street. it hasn't missed a beat. it's a long way from a stock 700, but it runs as good today as it did when i put it in. it's a rossler pretty decked out 700 with a TCS converter that lots of other people say doesn't work. along with other trick stuff, it had a special built 500 dollar clutch pack in it. it worked well enough for me to run the picture on maxtors posts and lift the wheels off the ground when it ran low et at the sport truck nationals. all the guys who are breaking 700 and running 12's i think must have a problem other that the design limitations of the 700. also, the truck that phil got from me ran the same tran i had in it that i put a different converter in (again... a TCS converter) for years and ran 10's on it with a BUNCH OF RUNS before it went. he had it rebuilt and still runs it and goes almost 9's now. the only reason i ever replaced the tran in the stokes truck was because i broke the converter and had to take the trans out anyway, but there was nothing wrong with it except metal inside from the converter breakin, and that was from makin a bunch of launches in a short period and heatin it up and beatin it to shit one day. and that converter was many years old and was not a TCS brand. it was just worn out from hittin it with over 750 pounds of torque all the time

a 4L80 is indeed stronger, and i would definitely reccomend it for bigger horsepower applications, but it's gonna break just the same if you smash the case. it also is not just a remove and replace part. if all that is wrong with your trans is a broken case, you can fix it for relatively a small amount of money compared to a 80. but don't get me wrong... the 80 is much better. if i still had the stokes truck and i broke the trans i would proably put a 80 in. just not sure if a fairly stock truck needs it. if the time, labor and money isn't a problem... go for it
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

How much did you have into that tranny for cost?

I agree 110% a 700 CAN be built to last.
 
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100in6

100in6
Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

i can't remember exactly. i had the trans apart twice and i had it upgraded both times, so if you just bought one i'm not sure what it would cost. as i remember the first time i had it apart was when i broke it and it was brand new. completely obliterated the output shaft. had a better one put in and at the same time i got another tran freshened up too. i think i paid 1500 for the two. then when i broke the converter i had it built more and the different clutch packs put in. i think i paid about 2200 that time. the original tran i didn't buy and i think it was about 2000 something to begin with. i would say that the one in marks car cost around 3300 or 3500 to buy outright. but thats a total race trans that's the same as what lingenfelter was running in his 427 sb awd twin turbo truck. i think carl even has stuff that makes em better performing and stronger now. i know he won't sell any parts for them and only does complete transmissions. he even reworks the case a lot to accept his own innards. and i know that there are a lot of custom pieces in one, cause one of my good friends runs his cnc machine department and they make their own parts in house. i almost choked when he told me he had a special clutch pack that cost 500 bucks. but it must work cause it's still in. and for what it's worth, that trans shifts like a cadillac compared to a normal sy when you just drive it around. when you get on it it really wails and shifts hard and fast, but when you're just driving around it's like a pussycat. i think i remember him tellin me his new 700 or 65 or 70E was around 3000 outright. he now has a patent for a transbrake for a more racing 700, but i'd be afraid to use a transbrake on a sy...

call him. he's friendly and will tell you about it. he probably remembers what's in my trans better than i do. i think mark is gonna take it out this winter and have it freshened and inspected, so that should really tell the story on how well it's holding up. last i heard there are some real billet shafts available for one. they used to say there were billet shafts, but carl told me they really weren't billet, just a special hardened steel and he didn't think they worked that well. he does a lot of powerglides, 350's, 400's which are fantastic, 700 type, and also now makes a 4L80 that gm has put in some racecars they've built at wheel to wheel. he also makes all the adaptors for converting 400's to a syty now since i've had him do a couple. i helped ed hess with his, and the one i built for the guys in poland with the twin turbo are running a rossler 400 i got them. i just went 10.3 on their ty first time out and spun the tires all the way down the track. they said it was definitely much faster than their old one. i got them a front and rearend built with 3.08 gears so i'm sure when they switch over the ty will run in the 9's, but that's supposed to be a little secret, so don't tell anyone :)
 
NecroWolf

NecroWolf

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Re: is the 4l80e the way to go?

you know i gotta ask. how did you scrape a manhole cover in your sy? i got my ty drop 3" and never had that problem? you just have your truck slammed so low? or are your manhole covers like small mountains?
 
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