cloneman315
Active member
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
Very simple.....big power stuff all breaks no matter what the parts!
Very simple.....big power stuff all breaks no matter what the parts!
Mrsyclone... oh no
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NOJIMMY
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Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
I disagree somewhat (though it depends entirely on what everyone calls "big power" nowadays). Here's why:
Many people today use production blocks to build performance engines. When the V6 Even-Fire engines were designed,
no one dreamed of the power cylinder heads and valvetrain components could be made to deliver. Today's blocks benefit
from decades of technology, both in racing and manufacturing. Metallurgy, machining techniques, and overall design
features are all vastly improved in the last decade. Castings are designed with thicker cylinder walls which allow larger bore sizes and
superior ring seal. Blocks also have thicker decks, and various deck heights to allow more flexibility in designing engine
combinations. Likewise, the main caps are much stronger, and the water jackets are enlarged to enhance cooling. With
earlier V6 parts, you're putting your money towards older hardware instead of labor."
For example, an LSX376 block (Cast iron = $2,483.97 and AL = 1,521) can easily withstand 15psi. It doesnt care
where boost comes from (supercharger or turbocharger) but there are parasitic losses with driving a supercharger.
The higher the power and boost, the greater the power losses (unfortunately most being consumed by the blower
at peak power). The result is neither registered on the dyno nor available to the vehicle. By contrast a turbo
is driven off exhaust gas and unless backpressure is high, losses with driving the impeller are minimal.
Car Craft bolted a 76mm PT7675 with 10.5 psi to their LS373 and made 836 hp and 760 ft-lb torque. With
14.6 psi 951hp; and at 19.5 psi 1,082 hp. Granted folks on this site can argue about Net vs Gross vs Flywheel vs Rear Wheel
hp but thats still usable and not extreme for a LS3 6.2L 430-hp standard engine. Was it at the level MRSYCLONE had....nope.
But Morgan is correct in suggesting that a lot can be made without being custom or exotic.
-Larry
I disagree somewhat (though it depends entirely on what everyone calls "big power" nowadays). Here's why:
Many people today use production blocks to build performance engines. When the V6 Even-Fire engines were designed,
no one dreamed of the power cylinder heads and valvetrain components could be made to deliver. Today's blocks benefit
from decades of technology, both in racing and manufacturing. Metallurgy, machining techniques, and overall design
features are all vastly improved in the last decade. Castings are designed with thicker cylinder walls which allow larger bore sizes and
superior ring seal. Blocks also have thicker decks, and various deck heights to allow more flexibility in designing engine
combinations. Likewise, the main caps are much stronger, and the water jackets are enlarged to enhance cooling. With
earlier V6 parts, you're putting your money towards older hardware instead of labor."
For example, an LSX376 block (Cast iron = $2,483.97 and AL = 1,521) can easily withstand 15psi. It doesnt care
where boost comes from (supercharger or turbocharger) but there are parasitic losses with driving a supercharger.
The higher the power and boost, the greater the power losses (unfortunately most being consumed by the blower
at peak power). The result is neither registered on the dyno nor available to the vehicle. By contrast a turbo
is driven off exhaust gas and unless backpressure is high, losses with driving the impeller are minimal.
Car Craft bolted a 76mm PT7675 with 10.5 psi to their LS373 and made 836 hp and 760 ft-lb torque. With
14.6 psi 951hp; and at 19.5 psi 1,082 hp. Granted folks on this site can argue about Net vs Gross vs Flywheel vs Rear Wheel
hp but thats still usable and not extreme for a LS3 6.2L 430-hp standard engine. Was it at the level MRSYCLONE had....nope.
But Morgan is correct in suggesting that a lot can be made without being custom or exotic.
-Larry
Jimmy
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Norm
Donating Member
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
Still horse power is horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is made in Italy of America.
Still horse power is horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is made in Italy of America.
gringo76
New member
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
yep, no matter what it is. if you gonna push it to the limit there is a time limit on all the parts. the more you push it the faster it comes.
yep, no matter what it is. if you gonna push it to the limit there is a time limit on all the parts. the more you push it the faster it comes.
TYTILIDIE
METH HEAD
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
Morgan get your facts straight, those cranks cost $3400 to the door. :lol: Don't forget I am pretty sure that there is only one company that even makes them anymore. I just got pricing from Bryant a few days ago on a customer truck and cost was $3400 and a 14 week turn around.
Morgan get your facts straight, those cranks cost $3400 to the door. :lol: Don't forget I am pretty sure that there is only one company that even makes them anymore. I just got pricing from Bryant a few days ago on a customer truck and cost was $3400 and a 14 week turn around.
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
:rotf: haha, my bad
Its been a while since I've even thought about going that route. My LS comment was a joke as well, there is no way Robert could turn to the dark side at this point.
never said it would, and I certainly wouldn't use an LS1, Id use an LQ4/9 at a minimum either way, I said 650HP, as in the breaking point of the stock 4.3 cranks.... if its even that much
:rotf: haha, my bad
Its been a while since I've even thought about going that route. My LS comment was a joke as well, there is no way Robert could turn to the dark side at this point.never said it would, and I certainly wouldn't use an LS1, Id use an LQ4/9 at a minimum
either way, I said 650HP, as in the breaking point of the stock 4.3 cranks.... if its even that much
Don W.
Stab it and steer it
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
650 HP in our motors is just shy of 2.5 hp per ci which is huge. "dark side" yes but I sometimes wonder if putting a sweet little old school small block in might be a fun conversion. Just to be different. :rotf: A reliable 400 horse wouldn't be that hard.
650 HP in our motors is just shy of 2.5 hp per ci which is huge. "dark side" yes but I sometimes wonder if putting a sweet little old school small block in might be a fun conversion. Just to be different. :rotf: A reliable 400 horse wouldn't be that hard.
cloneman315
Active member
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
Ok let me rephrase that.... Modified anything! I have seen six figure Offshore marine engines built with the best parts that explode in a blink of a eye. Robert has been doing this long enough and its just a inconvenient bump in the road and a excuse to build it better the next time.... The statistics and the math and all the other BS means nothing.....
Ok let me rephrase that.... Modified anything! I have seen six figure Offshore marine engines built with the best parts that explode in a blink of a eye. Robert has been doing this long enough and its just a inconvenient bump in the road and a excuse to build it better the next time.... The statistics and the math and all the other BS means nothing.....
gringo76
New member
neildemo
Administrator
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
He did a amazing Job building this one. Honestly not sure how you could build it better as he holds the v6 records for awd. I believe it was just age and metal fatigue. None the Less Cant wait to see his next build..He is just a great guy to bad this happened, He even sent me some of his beautiful Syty artwork he has taken across Europe..
He did a amazing Job building this one. Honestly not sure how you could build it better as he holds the v6 records for awd. I believe it was just age and metal fatigue. None the Less Cant wait to see his next build..He is just a great guy to bad this happened, He even sent me some of his beautiful Syty artwork he has taken across Europe..
hatrik8
Donating Member
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
He's quick! Hopefully the engine is too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrWhwII_8U
I´m so happy today. A new engine back together. This was my biggest boom ever! What caused it was that the crank was too old. That crank have given me many happy moments.
He's quick! Hopefully the engine is too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrWhwII_8U
I´m so happy today. A new engine back together. This was my biggest boom ever! What caused it was that the crank was too old. That crank have given me many happy moments.
cloneman315
Active member
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
It always seems like the diehard race guys turn things around very quickly...
It always seems like the diehard race guys turn things around very quickly...
RealFastV6
@jb_and_his_coffee
You guys had me so turned around on this I had to go take a look next time I was back in CT. It's *not* centered in the bore with a Bowtie \ Carrillo combo. It's off center at BOTH the crank and piston ends of the rod. This means the piston is actively trying to bend the rod by side loading it on both ends.
So I'll reiterate - the rods are off center. This is the exact problem that Buick ran into and addressed by shifting the banks further apart on the later stronger (153) blocks.
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atomicmecha
I hate rust
Re: Mrsyclone... oh no
Fwiw, his truck was back to running again this past weekend in germany, till the exhaust messed up.
Fwiw, his truck was back to running again this past weekend in germany, till the exhaust messed up.