tools required for torque converter install

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
I need to put in this torque converter so I am thinking of buying some tools:

transmision jack - 150kg = 330 lbs

hi lift trolley jack 125mm - 800mm / 2 tonnes

med height axle stands (500 - 750mm height)


What is the weight of the trans approximately? The truck is 3500 lbs right - Typhoon?

This is going to be expensive though :(

Anything else I need? Spare bolts? screws?

All I have is the deep pan, and a 2800 Waller Stall...... and a tranny gasket kit.

TIA,

Mark
 
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Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Or should I lift them as high as 505mm?

Am concerned about not being able to get the transmission from under the truck to install the torque converter etc.

Anyone got any advice? Mike Campbell had some nice kit in his garage by the look of it. Care to chime in Mike?

Thanks guys,

Mark
 

jjorgensen52

NHSTE - I'm the only one!
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Really, all you need to do is roll the tranny back about 10" ... to do that you have to pull the driveshaft and unbolt it from the belhousing / flywheel, then just lower it about 6 or 8" and roll it back.

I would suggest getting the truck at least 2' off the floor... it's hard to get it out if you can't move around easily

Also, one of the most useful tools I found in taking my tranny out was a 5/8 integrated universal socket and 4' of extension for my 3/8" ratchet

The socket looks like this:
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it's small enough to get onto all the bolts that hold the tranny on
 

ty166

Donating Member
Re: tools required for torque converter install

i just swapped my converter , unbolted trans mount and raised rear of trans as high as i could, took out the two top trans bolts , removed crossmember and let trans down till just b4 the distributor touched fire wall took out the two middle bolts , supported motor and then took out two lower bolts. rolled trans down and back , swapped converters and rolled it back up and in , easier this time as it was my second time , did it by myself in about four hours (drive shafts and transfer case i took out the day b4). i think the hardest part was the stock trans lines , what a pita to get to.
 

myclone

Donating Member
Re: tools required for torque converter install

jjorgensen52 said:
Also, one of the most useful tools I found in taking my tranny out was a 5/8 integrated universal socket and 4' of extension for my 3/8" ratchet

The socket looks like this:
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Just be aware that youll need a 9/16" instead of a 5/8" socket thingy.


Replace the front seal in the trans while you have the converter out. If you dont then gear head law states that it will leak shortly after putting everything back togeather.
 

jjorgensen52

NHSTE - I'm the only one!
Re: tools required for torque converter install

That is bizarre. I did the Ty a while ago but I just did the sonoma about 2 weeks ago and they were all 5/8" ... although I must have bought the 9/16" for some reason :lol:
 

myclone

Donating Member
Re: tools required for torque converter install

jjorgensen52 said:
That is bizarre. I did the Ty a while ago but I just did the sonoma about 2 weeks ago and they were all 5/8" ... although I must have bought the 9/16" for some reason :lol:

Every GM bellhousing bolt Ive ever taken out was 9/16" :dunno:

Off the top of my head the only thing thats 5/8" is spark plugs, rocker arm nuts, head bolts, and main cap bolts. Everything else is 9/16" or metric other than some misc do dads like the 7/16" U joint strap bolts and 3/8" for the + stud on the alt (theres more but thats off the top of my head).
 

SY2932

Administrator
Re: tools required for torque converter install

I'm sorry, did someone say my name :lol:?

Ah yes the good old "700-R4 pull", it is a milestone in syty ownership. However, you will only get partial credit from us "old timers" since the transmission hasn't been grenaded ;).

First off, as already mentioned, you won't have to completely remove the transmission from the truck to swap out the converter. You won't even have to remove the transfer case... Being that you have a new transmission pan, I would not put it on until after you have installed the new converter. I have a cast aluminum TCI pan for my truck and install the stocker anytime I have to do a pull so that it doesn't get beat up during the pull.

Before you install the new transmission filter, be sure that you get the old seal out of the bore. I have never seen one come out with the old filter. The best tool that I have used to remove it is one of those "lid poppers" that you get for removing the lids off metal cans of paint. Hit any sharp edges on it with a file or grinding stone so that you don't scratch the bore if you get a little careless.

If your transmission has never been messed with since it left the factory's hands, there will be a single TORX T40 button head cap screw holding the torque converter inspection plate in place. It will be on the same side as the propshaft. It is NOT a hex wrench. I have lost count of how many trucks have had this single screw mutilated. Strip out that one screw and the cover isn't coming off...

Removing the three bolts that hold the flexplate to the torque converter can be a royal pain. The factory applies a thread locking compound to the bolts to keep them from backing out. You need to do the same when you reinstall the bolts later. You want to use Loctite 262 or 271 which is red in color. If you try to just wrench the bolts loose, you will usually just end up turning over the motor... instead, get a wrench on the head of the bolt and hit it with a decent sized hammer. A brass, copper or dead blow hammer works best. To access the other bolts, the easiest way is to turn to motor over from the front with a big breaker bar. This is when having an extra pair of hands is nice.

Those flex sockets are nice, I have a set myself, but they or any other "regular" socket for that matter aren't going to do you any good when you get to the top stud that holds the downpipe bracket in place... A regular socket won't reach and a deep well one will be too long because it will hit the seam in the sheet metal of the fire wall. As myclone mentioned you will need a 9/16 inch socket to remove the bellhousing bolts. I have a "modified" 14 MM deep well socket that I use for my pulls:

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Before you cry foul and say "hey, you just said that the bolts are 9/16 inch!" 9/16 of an inch equals 14.2875 MM. I like using 14 MM since it gets a better bite on the bolts and they can be VERY stubborn. As you can see, my "special" deep well socket is approximately 45 MM (1 3/4 inch) long whereas a standard deep well socket in this size is 63.5 MM (2 1/2 inch) long. I made this socket myself by cutting it down with a cut off wheel and facing it in the lathe at work so the face was true.

This pic represents the modification that I did to my truck to address the sheet metal problem:

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"If you have ever pulled your own transmission before, you know what's up with this. Primed and painted afterwards..."

As far as the converter goes, be sure that the pilot on the converter is clean as outlined by my mentor, George Blake here. Also fill the coverter with at least two quarts of ATF before you install it. Wipe some ATF of the "snout" of the converter that goes into the transmisssion too.

Now this is a REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL. It will prevent you from CRUSHING THE PUMP and having to REMOVE the transmission because it will need to be TORN APART TO BE CLEANED.:

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With a straight edge across the front of the bellhousing, the distance to the mounting pads on the torque converter should be approximately 5/8 of an inch. Failure to do this properly will result in a CRUSHED PUMP and your transmission will HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND TORN APART TO BE CLEANED. Last year, there was a rash of folks who did this. So, it is not a difficult mistake to do by any means. Take your time when you install the new converter and tighten the three bolts down a little at a time as you go. It is time comsuming but it will prevent you from CRUSHING THE PUMP and having to REMOVE the transmission because it will need to be TORN APART TO BE CLEANED. I can't stress how important this step is. Just to clarify if you don't seat the torque converter properly, you will CRUSH THE PUMP and your transmission will HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND TORN APART TO BE CLEANED.
 
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Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Cooooool.

On the driveshaft, there are 4 bolts that look like the reverse of TORX bolts. I have a torx set already but not these - what are they called?

Mike - I just saw in your sig that you sell the hex head prop shaft bolts....Can I buy these off you as well to be included with the EGR plate for tomorrow? The money is in your account already - can you just refund it if you can't - I'll take the hit on commission so just send me what you get if you see what I mean.

Any chance of a custom socket for the pull? :D

Thanks for all the input guys. This is a very daunting job.
 

myclone

Donating Member
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Quickstop [UK] said:
Cooooool.

On the driveshaft, there are 4 bolts that look like the reverse of TORX bolts. I have a torx set already but not these - what are they called?

I call them "inverted torx" head bolts but you can call them a huge PIA once you find out how tight they are. There are two different sizes of these on the front drive shaft...T-25 and T-20 I think but its been a while so I may be wrong on the sizes.

You should be able to find the inverted torx sockets you need anywhere that carries a good selection of tools. I bought mine off of the MAC tool truck but I do know that Snap On has them in their catalog.

If youre doing this by yourself then do your sanity a favor and get one of the below tools for holding/turning the flex plate. This allows you to turn the flex plate and remove/install the converter bolts without having to get out from under the truck. Buy a cheap one if youre only going to do this once (thats kind of moot since we're talking sytys here) or get a more expensive one that will last many years if you plan on doing multiple trans R&Rs.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WMR-W80510&N=700+115&autoview=sku
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Thanks for that tip!

so I have ordered the following things:

4 x 1.5 ton med height axle stands
1 x 150 kg / 330lbs transmission jack (trans weighs 167 lbs)

1 hi lift trolley jack (2 tonne - Ty actually weighs 3800, so I have 600 lbs spare)

socket set, imperial, 8 pieces, universal joint

torx socket set

transmission gasket

flywheel tool

new propshaft bolts from Mike Campbell



What have I forgotten?!!

Anyone know the way to remove the check ball from the trans to ensure more fluid flow / cooling? Searching as we speak....

Thanks,

Mark
 

SY2932

Administrator
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Dang, I KNEW that I was forgetting something. And I SELL replacement propshaft bolts, how embarrassing :doh:. Anywho I guess that you could REALLY use the "bonus" item that I was going to throw in for free here. I didn't even know that you were going to be removing the propshaft for a torque converter swap ;)... The sizes of the inverted Torx bolts are listed below:

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"Grade 10.9 (150,000 psi tensile strength) hex head bolts, M10-1.50X25mm front and M12-1.75X25mm rear, direct replacement for stock E12 (front) and E14 (rear) prop shaft bolts. includes Loctite 242 removable threadlocker."

I see that you have paid me for them already :(. But I am determined to give you *something* for free so I will buy a deep well socket and modify it for you, how's that :)?

myclone THANKS A LOT for the heads up on yet ANOTHER tool that I need to buy :lol:.
 
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Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: tools required for torque converter install

Excellent mate! The deep well socket will be great. Failing that I just got the universal joint sockets that I need as well.

I was just looking at buying the Loctite 242 but see that it is included in the kit!

This is just going too well!

Don't get too hung up on doing me favours - the advice is worth its weight in gold and I really appreciate it. Thats for everyone else as well.

Now I just need to get some Hex sockets lol

:D
 

gkrcr882

SyTyless......for now!
Re: tools required for torque converter install

While we're on the topic, I'm going to be replacing the transmission sometime in the future. Does the t-case have to be removed before the transmission is dropped, or can it be done after it is out? Also, are Sy and Ty transmissions the same as far as output spline count? will a Ty transmission and t-case work in a Sy? One more, little detail; despite my best efforts dealing with the dopes at Autozone, who/where is the place to get a re-boot kit for the front propshaft? TIA all. Good luck Quickstop and everyone else who is doing trans work!
 

jjorgensen52

NHSTE - I'm the only one!
Re: tools required for torque converter install

gkrcr882 said:
While we're on the topic, I'm going to be replacing the transmission sometime in the future. Does the t-case have to be removed before the transmission is dropped, or can it be done after it is out? Also, are Sy and Ty transmissions the same as far as output spline count? will a Ty transmission and t-case work in a Sy? One more, little detail; despite my best efforts dealing with the dopes at Autozone, who/where is the place to get a re-boot kit for the front propshaft? TIA all. Good luck Quickstop and everyone else who is doing trans work!

The trannys are the same. The t-case can be left on (cross member comes out) but it makes the whole rig a lot heavier (trust me... I did mine that way :doh: )

As for the propshaft... get a gilbert :tup:
 

gkrcr882

SyTyless......for now!
Re: tools required for torque converter install

I've been thinking about getting a Gilbert, that way I don't have to futz with a safety loop or worry about the shaft breaking. Might be worthwhile in the event the V8 sees boost in the future;)
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: tools required for torque converter install

So I got the following:

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Appropriated from work - NATO part number lol

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2 ton Hi lift jack ( see the puny one from Halfords...)

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150 kg transmission jack

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Not much space once on the 1.5ton axle stands....

After 1 year I have bought all this stuff. What am I thinking?!

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Mike, I got your bolts, EGR delete and the surprise as well as the custom socket. They came a few days ago. A+++ Feedback to follow. I am very very pleased with our deal :D

Now I only have excuses not to do this.....
 

motorhead

New member
Re: tools required for torque converter install

wow,when u drive in is there enough room to open the doors and get out or do you have your wife pull it in and just let her wait until the trans is done?lol just kiddin man,beats working out in the gravel like all of us have done at one time,or still doing.

hey mike,hows my engine coming along? I cant sleep at night thinking about how sweet this thing is gonna be. I have parts and pieces like new vortec valve covers and aluminum waterpump and I stare at them like a deer in headlights cause there is nothing to bolt them too. I have a sweet new purple torque convertor and no parts to finish putting the 80 together....
 
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