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[Raist103]

i am getting my converter put in this week or next from a shop that is spoke very well about in the south jersey area. the guy does most of the trans work for kaspers korner "they do and have many 8 sec cars and trucks" well he came up with 1100 for installk of the convt and pulling the trans out and doing all new seals, lips, and gaskets.
my ?'s are, is this worth it? is this a good price? should i buy the atr rebuilt kit for 150 and take that to him?
also i have 90k miles and the ty runs and shifts strong. i dont think it has ever been apart. or does any one know of a guy for about the same price in the tristate"nj, pa, de" area i would be better off going too?
i have a pte 54 just installed and i am putting a 9-11 3k stall in, i plan on 20-22lb of psi going mid-high 11's and was hopping this freshing will keep my trans together. i dont beat on my ty since it is my everyday driver and would only be at the track racing once every 2-3 weeks for 3-6 passes. any one got any ideas??

also forgot to add that i am putting a trans cooler and new rear main in at the same time

 

[hamrhead]

When I got my TC installed it cost me $300 from the local trans shop. My trans shifted fine as well. Seems to me if you're going to pay that much you may as well just rebuild the thing and (hopefully) be done with it. Or since you say it shifts good now, just go with the TC/rear main and save your cash for when it finally does need a rebuild. Your decision I guess.

 

[Hu Ryde]

http://www.syty.huryde.com/html/Tech/tranny.htm

Best bet is a nice set of alto clutches, it will come with everything you need for a basic overhaul. You can get these type of clutches in the 700R4 kit at Summit racing. Or you can get it from BulkParts (Makco) for just a clutch rebuild and seal kit.

http://www.bulkparts.com/

If you have the guy do the tranny make sure he uses all the original hardparts minus the ones you buy for it. As listed in the first link the blue items are recomended but if you want the min definately get these.

HP35003R-K (Master Kit Red Aloto Clutches) $195.66 Makco
35881 (Sprag, Forward) $36.18 Makco
35882 (Sprag, Low/Reverse) $14.29 Makco
HP35995PBK (Kevlar Band) $27.42 Makco
8685043 (3-4 ring) $13.80 GM
8685044 (3-4 plate) $9.84 GM

This setup along with a tech service updates should outlast a stock tranny depending on driving style by far. Make sure what ever convertor you get that it's a lock-up unit.

Print this:
http://www.syty.huryde.com/html/Tech/tranny/Trans Rebuild.pdf
and give it to the tranny guy, let him go through it and pick the updates out. The link is a incomplete rebuild guid that is in the process of being completed so it's missing some stuff but has most of the updates and free mods you can do to make your tranny that much better.

I hope that this helps some......

Good luck!!

 

[Raist103]

if i got those parts what else would be needed for a rebuild?
ands thanks for so much info

 

[Hu Ryde]

That's it man, besides fluid and the service to get it done. The master kit will include all new rubber seals, Teflon seals, clutches, Kolene steels, gaskets, filter. As long as everything is in good shape, (nothing broken or badly worn) you should be set with the above listed items.

The sprag's and 3-4 plate and ring are optional but cheap enough to replace that I would go ahead and do them. They are from a 4L60E, a more beefy trans.

The only other expense I can forsee is maybe the case bushings. They are also cheap though. If they are in good shape they are normall left alone when using original parts. But I have seen some rough ones.

I'n my trans I replaced alot of hardparts for no reason really. Ease of mind I guess. Best of luck.

 

[Hu Ryde]

Oh, convertor if you already don't have it.

Later

 

[sytydvr]

Jesse what do think of the master rebuild kit from Hughes that summit sells? is it worth it ?

thanks

Joe
sy#682
ty#2351

 

[Hu Ryde]

Joe,
The other master kit from Makco is tha exact same thing as far as clutches, steels, and seals throughout the kit. The only difference is that the hughes kit also has the band, bushings, and bearings included as stated in the description, and it's in their own packaging.

One transmission overhaul kit does it all.

GM: 1982-93 TH700R-4 (4L60), with Kolene steels, Premium Overhaul Race transmission rebuild kit

Build a championship-caliber race tranny with this Premium Overhaul Race kit from Hughes Performance. It brings together the best components into one easy-to-use kit. Items included are Kolene steels, Red Alto race frictions, Kevlar-lined race bands, paper and rubber kits, sealing rings, seals, filters, modulators, washers, and bushings.

Sold as a kit.
$329.95

In my opinion you can save about $40-$50 buying these parts seperate from BulkParts aka(Makco). But regardless it's all the same thing.

Here is part of the master kit from Makco:

Here is the rest:

Although not layed out nicely like the Hughes kit I can tell you it has everything needed to re-fresh/rebuild a 700R4 trans. The only thing I didn't use in the kit was the pump shaft rings. I got new ones because the ones in the kit were scarf cut and I wanted to use solid Teflon ones. They hold up better. I found the Teflon ones at a local tranny shop for free.

Here is the band I bought:

You can see from this picture how much larger it was compaired to the stock band:

The one listed in above posts from Makco is the same as this unit.

Now the one in the kit is different but similar. It's most likely made by Red-Alto aslo which is ok. But it's not a Sonnax like listed im my picture. It will still function fine though. Not sure on size differece at the moment.
HTH

 

[Blake]

Use the sources Jesse sent you.
Don't use the ATR kit.
I recently found out that it used the cheaper "145" clutches. These are not recommened for our trucks because of calibration issues(higher pressures and wot 3-4 upshift). Ours at least needs the BW "2050" frictions or the Alto Red Eagle frictions with the Kolenes that Jesse showed you.
The price that guy gave you is rediculous. He makes out like a bandit. He's gonna put $45 worth of parts in it and you will still have the same unit you started out with. He has to pull all the stuff out of it anyway, make him earn his money and at least put the stuff into it that Jesse recommended. Replace the sprags. Any unit that gets pulled aparts HAS to have the low and forward sprags replaced. Do you have a sy or Ty? Sy's need more done to them than Ty's do.
If he tries to blow you off when you take in the printed guide then go somewhere else. If he's gonna charge you that much, he should at least sit down with you for 10 or 15 minutes and discuss what you need/want.

One thing. Wherever you go, DON'T LET THEM SWAP OUT YOUR TRANSMISSION FOR ANOTHER ONE. Many places do this for quick turnaround. The transmission they give you will shift soft, have no 3-4 upshift and will burn up in less than 10K miles(wrong clutches). They will then say you abused it and blow you off. Seen too many people go through this. When we did Jesse's there was a LOT of grinding, cutting, air checks, clearance checks, fit checks, drilling, calibration changes, updates, etc, etc.....the shop you take it to is NOT gonna do this. I don't care what they tell you. It takes too long and they want to make money, not be your buddy.

The low times for trucks your guy is talking about are most likely NOT AWD. The massive amounts of torque our trucks make is way beyond normal 2wd stuff. The deal is a 2wd will break loose, ours WILL NOT. 60 foot times these people on here have posting are awsome. 1.50 to 1.60 means a lot of stress on a tranny. Seems like McCoy had a 1.40?

If this stuff intimidates you, talk to Micheal Hood. The prices on his website are absolutely amazing. He must just do this stuff because he likes to do it. That's all I can figure. He has three different packages and prices go up accordingly.

I personally apologize for the time it has been taking to get the tranny stuff done for the website. I'm trying to make it all inclusive and as inexpensive as possible for the DIYer. It has turned into a book. It really is a book. The compilation already has over 100 hours in it(ask my wife :roll: ) That is just on my end. Then take into account Jesse's time editing and putting it up on the web server. I didn't realize it until I started printing stuff out to go through for spelling checks and such. Eventually it will have animated gifs and video. At least that's the plan. A huge thanks to Jesse for making these resources available to us. I haven't looked at the pdf version yet. Still need to check it out.
Blake

 

[Raist103]

ok i am a little confused right now so if i understand everything right i will get everything meaning this:
HP35003R-K (Master Kit Red Aloto Clutches) $195.66 Makco
35881 (Sprag, Forward) $36.18 Makco
35882 (Sprag, Low/Reverse) $14.29 Makco
HP35995PBK (Kevlar Band) $27.42 Makco
8685043 (3-4 ring) $13.80 GM
8685044 (3-4 plate) $9.84 GM

go to the trans shop with this book i printed out (http://www.syty.huryde.com/html/Tech/tranny/Trans Rebuild.pdf) and have him read and do as this book says while installing my parts i ordered.

i got a 9-11 from mccoy 3k stall. artcarr? at least that what was in my gn and i was told they are the same, but what do i know.
and thanks for all the help guys

 

[Blake]

Double check your spline count for the converter. Very important.
2004r transmission has a 27 count spline and converter just for it.
700r4 (what you have in the Sy/Ty) has a 30 count spline on the input shaft.
They are not interchangeable. Early early 700s had a 27 spline. That may be where the confusion came in.
To sum it up. Make sure the converter they gave you is for a 30 count spline.
Don't just settle for "yeah, they're the same thing".

On the forward sprag, make sure it is the BorgWarner unit. The SKF is junk.

Did you say you were gonna put on another tranny cooler? If you go with a 3000 stall, you'll need it. In line with the stocker or stand alone. Doesn't matter, just get as big a cooler as you can fit. Especially with a 9/11 type. They hold much less fluid and have less surface area inside for heat to transfer to the fluid. This means they get hot quicker than a regular 12" converter.
Blake

 

[Blake]

Hey, Jesse,
Just noticed on the PDF version that there are areas where the text on the right goes off the page. Not drag the bar over kinda off, I mean like not on the document. That's most likely my fault. I should have formatted the word docs better. Just thought I'd let you know.
Blake

 

[Hu Ryde]

I'll look into it. I need to do another PDF cause it doesn't have part 7 in it either. Maybe this week I'll find me some time.

 

[kwick6]

I personally apologize for the time it has been taking to get the tranny stuff done for the website. I'm trying to make it all inclusive and as inexpensive as possible for the DIYer. It has turned into a book. It really is a book. The compilation already has over 100 hours in it(ask my wife :roll: ) That is just on my end. Then take into account Jesse's time editing and putting it up on the web server. I didn't realize it until I started printing stuff out to go through for spelling checks and such. Eventually it will have animated gifs and video. At least that's the plan. A huge thanks to Jesse for making these resources available to us. I haven't looked at the pdf version yet. Still need to check it out.
Blake

George, Jesse,

You guys are doing great work, and it will be so much help to those in need of rebuilding the trans. ::brews::

I am reaching the limits on my trans, 135K miles, and with all this info you guys are gathering, I'm thinking it can be a DIY project for those that have no previous experience on transmissions. I'd rather skip the nightmares by having a shop try and build one, that *might* hold up to the kind of torque we put these things through.

I'd really like to get my hands on a blown syty stock trans to start re-building while my orig is still in the truck. Not really sure how much that would cost for a complete syty trans, or if that would even be a worthwhile idea.....but I would be able to take more time as the truck wouldn't be down while its being built.


later,

Scott

 

[Hu Ryde]

George, Jesse,

You guys are doing great work, and it will be so much help to those in need of rebuilding the trans. ::brews::
later,

Scott

That's what we are here for man, and it's all free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can beat that!!

 

[Hu Ryde]

Ok guys, had some time and finally compiled and edited the PDF format guide. It now has the last update and has minor fixes including the off page text fix. Also moved it arround and formatted it so it's less pages. No info was cut, just rearranged.

http://www.syty.huryde.com/html/Tech/tranny/Trans Rebuild.pdf

 

[HighPerformanceTrucks]

Re: trans ?

i am getting my converter put in this week or next from a shop that is spoke very well about in the south jersey area. the guy does most of the trans work for kaspers korner "they do and have many 8 sec cars and trucks" well he came up with 1100 for installk of the convt and pulling the trans out and doing all new seals, lips, and gaskets.
my ?'s are, is this worth it? is this a good price? should i buy the atr rebuilt kit for 150 and take that to him?
also i have 90k miles and the ty runs and shifts strong. i dont think it has ever been apart. or does any one know of a guy for about the same price in the tristate"nj, pa, de" area i would be better off going too?
i have a pte 54 just installed and i am putting a 9-11 3k stall in, i plan on 20-22lb of psi going mid-high 11's and was hopping this freshing will keep my trans together. i dont beat on my ty since it is my everyday driver and would only be at the track racing once every 2-3 weeks for 3-6 passes. any one got any ideas??

also forgot to add that i am putting a trans cooler and new rear main in at the same time

I'd contact Brian Hartman at HHP Racing if you want your tranny done right.

brainhartman@sprintmail.com

 

[Raist103]

where is he from? local to me?

 

[HighPerformanceTrucks]

where is he from? local to me?

He's located near Denver, CO.

Adam

 

[Hu Ryde]

Let's not foget about all of the other vendors, Waller is also doing well built Transmissions in NC, McCoy in KY, Mike at RPM in Cali, Roadmaster is also in the game in Chicago.

There is a wide range of people all over the country. It all depends on your personal prefrence and their quality of customer service. I have heard and seen on the BB that Waller has given an arm and leg to customer service to erue and bdubb. That says alot about people.