Wtf !!!!!

[Ty 1885]

Hey, Admin, John Waller just gave me bad rating ???
He is gitting back at me for telling my exp. with him ??? That is BULL !!!
He stated that i did not give info for the chip ??? Hey fool look at my sig !!!
I want it removed.

 

[0966Sy]

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I have also had a bad deal with him before the trader rating was made. Paid $800 for a McCoy a2a that was in "good" condition. recieved it with bent up scoop and damaged fins and dents in core not to mention missing clamps cut silicone hoses in poor conditon and scratched to hell piping. He was real honest about the conditon; sarcasm. I sold it and took a 200 dollar loss and was honest with the buyer about it's condition. will never reccomend or deal with again.

 

[nello]

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Here we go again...opcorn2:

 

[Ty 1885]

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Hey that ahole cant admit that he F**KED up , and gives ME neg feedback.
That just proves what kind of person he is!

 

[92TYPHOON937]

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Here we go again...opcorn2:

yup i'm going to join u opcorn2:

 

[mattw]

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Gotta agree with you on this one.. That was REAL low of him to leave you a neg rating..

-Matt

 

[0966Sy]

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Anybody would do buisness with someone that is a complete stranger on this forum years ago, now without asking others on the forum of there reputation your asking for trouble. Let him post negitive feedback, thare are many story's out there about him. Simply ask others or look at trader ratings before doing buisness. Did i give him a NEGITIVE trader rating for my deal with him years ago' No, would i have if the trader rating was available' Yes. Did i share my experience' Yes. So have many others.

 

[$Hot-Rod$]

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What an idiot.

 

[Ty 1885]

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:tup: Thanks guys

 

[alwayswantedone]

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Its pretty simple to prove. Where is the copy of the pm or email where you gave the specifics of what you wanted and specs on your build? I mean if you have that then you have proof John screwed up and then the bad feedback he left for you was uncalled for but until then its just your word against his. So until proof is showed why should he not be able to leave feedback explaining his side?

 

[KDBL1]

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I dealt with J Waller in the past. He was honest and straight forward with me. The parts were shipped on time and offered tech info on installation. Returned calls and e-mails to me promptly.

 

[spooldup]

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why not call john and speak to him so you guys can work this out? I have known john for years from this board and had my trans done by him and my own chip. John has even gone as far as helped me out with parts and problems that i had that were not even his. He has gone out of his way for me and many others in the past. I think you should give him the benefit of the doubt and start over with him. I am sure he will help you out.

 

[Ty 1885]

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How can i post pms that i send to waller ?

 

[cloneman315]

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copy and paste?

 

[BoostedSUV]

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Other than john not being the most accurate with "turn around time" estimates I have nothing but good stuff to say. Even if he does wrong he will do everything to make it right. He has always been quick to respond and help regardless of wether its an issue with his products or something else. I would have left you neg feedback as well if I were publicly roasted on a forum with out given a chance to make it right. Mistakes happen and I'm sure john would have made it right. At this point you're prob S.O.L. And better find someone else to do business with... I understand why you're upset but I think you jumped the gun based on my experience. Just my 2 cents

 

[420]

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Here we go again folks. Same vendor, same shady business practices. Only thing that changes are the names of the victims...

How many times will we hear this story before Waller is removed as a sponsor of this site? I mean, if he's really THAT good, he will get more than enough business via word of mouth... right?

 

[MikeRenz]

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Here we go again folks. Same vendor, same shady business practices. Only thing that changes are the names of the victims...

same vendor....same victim. there is really no need for multiple posts of the same saga.

 

[420]

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same vendor....same victim. there is really no need for multiple posts of the same saga.

Actually, there are people that come out of the wood work with new stories each time a thread like this gets created. Hell, even the guy I sold my intercooler to this morning had a story to tell about bullshit Waller pulled.

Like I said earlier, if Waller is as good as everyone says, pull his sponsorship and he should still get plenty of business via word of mouth. If the board is concerned about the loss of income, I will be glad to discuss helping out with that.

 

[JKsSyclone]

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*edit* Ive decided to stay out of this. *edit*


FWIW...If my tranny goes out tonight Im calling Waller.

 

[Syclone#1992]

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How many times will we hear this story before Waller is removed as a sponsor of this site? I mean, if he's really THAT good, he will get more than enough business via word of mouth... right?

Why are you trying to push this issue on the board and administrators of the site? Just because things don't go right doesn't mean we are responsible. Just because a vendor has a forum here doesn't mean we worship them and give them preferential treatment.

The policy here has always been that vendor matters are personal matters that need to be resolved off the board privately between the vendor and the customer. If that doesn't work, I guess a lawsuit would be the next step (has anyone done that?). Or lets ask this question, was it really necessary(or that big of a deal) to take it to that level? Smear campaigns get us nowhere on this board, and believe me we have had MANY here.

Do you really think the Administration on this board should call the shots? We get constant PM's with all types of vendor issues, if we "removed" vendors that people have had an issue and started taking sides it would cause even more problems (and quite frankly no vendors would be left). John Gerber said it best in his other post.



Here it is in case you missed it! :tup:

I usually stay out of this type of thread and am usually cordial and friendly to all on this board, but I am sick an tried of someone starting a lynching every six months or so with our vendors. If you don't like the way a vendor is handling your work, then take it up with them. I have been around the racing/car scene longer than some of you have been alive and folks, this is the way it is. I have waited months for things promised in weeks and have spent years on projects that would seem to only take months to do. I have put out dollars on what appeared to be good products or parts only to find out they were not useable or need to be fixed or modified.

I have sent dollars to ppl on this board and never heard from them again and not received the parts I have sent major dollars for half down on a billet crankshaft to a nationally known crank maker last January. Crank was on it's way, then wasn't, then lost, then not lost, but need some additional work, then promised another one. I still haven't received it.

We all have had different problems in the past with vendors and many of the past syty vendors that helped us are gone from the board today. Gone, because someone started a vindictive personal war against them. The majority of these vendors started into the syty business as a side line because no one else was out there to help us. This usually was not a main line business but was a reachout and help, personal endeavor. We as a BB of, wanting everything and wanting now personalities, would jump on anyone that tried to help us with a new experimential product or a service of sorts and cried out "I want one and I need help..", "how soon can I have it...", "can you do a group purchase to save us money", etc.

The very next step is that we overload the few people we have that has taken an interest in helping with our trucks and put them in a no-win position. Then we bitch an moan that we got screw because these "trying to help vendors" don't meet our expections.

I have been around this board, the "list" before it as well and having owned my first Ty since 1993. I have done the Kenny Bell, The ATR, The Guy Reffert, The Al Dunstan, The Brian Green, The Brian Hartman, The Jerry MCCoy, The PTE, The John Waller, The Mike Lee, The Jeff Scott, The George Blake, The Mike Renz and a fmany other syty vendors.

Everyone these vendors is a good person and everyone has/had excellant intentions to help us out even though there was never going to be enough business from our small group to ever make them enough dollars to be profitable in the long haul. Many ideas where experimental and didn't always work out.

I have also work directly with many of the main line auto/race vendors and several machine shops. They all have times when things work out good for everyone and they all have times when nothing goes right for us. This is the world of modifying, building, racing, expermenting, etc, etc. It is expected. Things break, ideas don't materialize, third party shops don't come through. Peoples lives change, etc. Things do not always work out for our little group that depands everything right and correct. We are just not big enough like the LS1 or the ford world. We only have the little circle that we have and without it we would not have anything. We would be left to do it ourselves, see the local dealer or seek someone that is inexperienced with our setups.

I do know this, every vendor that we lost other than maybe ATR and Kenny Bell we have driven off because we bitched about the little percentage of problems. What we lost was the big percentage of good that they brought to the group as well as them personally.

I still talk and seek help form the majority of our past vendors which have stay in touch as friends, always willing to help anyway they can. Most of them will never come back to the board because of the way we treated them when things don't work out.

I buy and sell a lot of parts outside of the board and quietly help and support many outside of the board and privately. I have chosen not to offer much help through the board because of the many years of seeing some of our strongest members offering a help that grows into trying to help more and more members, only to eventially becomeing a vendor and being run off by the very membership they tried to help.

We all want to go through life as if everything that goes wrong is someone else's problem. Come on guys suck it up and realize we are a small community that things are not always going to go as we demand. Our few vendors can only do so much and can not always control the time frames to have things done. It is that simple. Group purchases are put out there to usually see if there is enough demand to actually have a product or service be worthwhile. If it gets overloaded with demand then a vendor gets buried. We have seen it happen time and time again. Vendors don't control the demand, the materials, third party services, shipping costs etc. They can't predict their personal life changes form day to day.

I have no beef with anyone on here personally and am not going single out anyone in particular. This thread as just been the last of a long list of these kinds of vendor lynching threads and many of us are sick of it.

Work out your own problem, go to court if you don't like it, go beat the crap out of the vendor if that is your manly gig or place a one time "I have a problem with "x" vendor story" in the "problem with vendor forum". Or get out of the syty world and try your luck with some other auto/truck club where you have more options that suit your demands.

These trucks are appealing to look at and fun to drive, but the rest of what we experience, good, bad, or otherwise is a part of this syty world. If people can't except that and realize our few vendors are only doing what they can to help (which often times is not perfect), then go somewhere else or drive something that will make you happy.

Better yet, quit modifying your trucks beyond your capacity both mentally and affordability! Drive it stock, you will enjoy it more than setting in your garage and making you angry with the vendors!

John