ZR-1 meets Syclone.

[BrianKelly]

ZR-1 meets Syclone.

Date: Mon, Apr 8, 2001, Simi Valley/Wood Ranch, Ca.


Exited the fwy (118 west/Madera Rd). At an intersection just off the fwy (S. at easy St) I noticed the corner of a purple ZR-1 zipping though while I was at the red. Went 2 more lights before got next to him.

Went from a light with him on the far left and me on the right with a
truck in the middle.
He jumped the light by about 1/2 a car length on me.
I caught him real quick and started to pass him around 30-40 mph.
My windows were down. That ZR-1 was damn loud, I could not even hear
the Syclone.
I saw him start to slowly catch up by the time we were doing about
80, which was the first time I could glance at him since the start.
At about 85 he let off and so did I. We went through two more lights
but did not catch either on the red. It seemed he was going to beat
me if we would have continued to about 110mph or so, but not by much
(like a car length probably).
It looks like he lives about 3 blocks from me, he turned down a dead
end side street right by my house.
His license plate frame said: "Thunder leaves you behind".
Yeah, well it's time revise that to: "The thunder jumped the light
but still couldn't beat the Syclone".

BTW, he probably had some mods. He had different rims on it and a
Borla exhaust.
Funny, I have ZR-1 rims and the ZR-1 I was racing did not.
Maybe I had his rims? ;-)

I tell you when I first realized we were going to meet at that light
my heat started pounding.
The rarest and most bad ass GM car ever against the rarest and most
bad ass GM truck ever.
What the hell are the odds of the two meeting?!!!!!!!!

 

[MacGyver]

What year ZR1 was it? and what mods do you have done to your SY? It's very
possible that it wasn't even a real ZR1. What kind of rims did it have on it?
ZR1's are alot wider in the ass end then the normal vettes and also always have
the third brake light at the top of the rear hatch. Good kill though if it was
a real ZR1. With a good drive they'll run high 12's stock easy. As far as
being the Rarest and most badass GM has ever made I'd have to disagree. IMHO
the old ZL1 camaros alot more rare and even faster to boot gotta love an all
aluminum 427 motor made in the 60's They would run low low 11's with just
slicks on them off the showroom floor.

L8r
Will

 

[BrianKelly]

What year was the ZR-1? Doesn't matter, they didn't vary much except in reliability.
At a quick glance your are not going to be able to tell what year one is, especially if it has non factory wheels as this one did, which is one easy way to spot one, especially from the back, third brake light or not, and no way if you only see it from the front.
Also, 2 valve Vettes sounds nothing like a 32 valve 4 cam ZR-1 at redline.
No, it is not possible that it was not a real ZR-1, not unless it had a ZR-1 rear on it and a ZR-1 engine transplanted in it... I know exactly what they are, and have 1995 ZR-1 rims on SY (real ZR-1s rims, as in 9.5" and 11" with 275-40-17/315-35-17 rubber).

Yes, the ZL-1s were rarer, but 0-60 they could not keep up, 1/4m was about on par, and top end it was not even in the same ball park.
ZL-1 (stock) Low 11's on slicks? You are reading too many Chevy forum posts.
Hot Rod tested a ZL-1 Vette with street tires and got a low 13 out of it.
If I cared to look through all of my many (thousands) of mags I could find the exact numbers.
Slicks aren't going to knock 2 seconds off of a low 13 second run..
The 1970 Chevelle SS454 actually ran almost the exact same time
(per Hot Rod mag's test). I believe mph in the 1/4m they were only 1 mph part.
Times were both a low 13, but in another mag the Chevelle got a very high 12.
Also, keep in mind hp figures now vs then are taken differently, and are not as generous as they once were. All that aside, I would still take a 1969 ZL-1 Vette (rag top please) over almost anything.

Sy mods: Turbo, ATR chip, Ken Bell air box, intercooler, injectors, fuel pump, Borla, MSD, and misc.

 

[warmpancakes]

I can race a ZR1 any day of the week (dad has a 95) I wont mess with it noe ist on its way back from the builder , port and polish new injectors, cams and a blower 9 psi motor makes 575 at the wheels on street tires is should go 10s Im not gonna f with it

 

[Ty1269]

So you have a 02 M ?? Do you like the SMG, is it all that?

 

[cr133r]

Are you saying your dad has a '95 ZR-1 that's been ported/polished/new injectors and a 9psi blower added that makes 575 at the wheels?

If so, who did the blower? Without doing frame modifications, there is NO WAY to put a blower on a ZR-1. And 575 at the wheels at 9psi, that'd be a little low if you ask me...

As for the Purple ZR-1... Thats one rare color. If things went down as you said and with the mods you have, good run... I'm sure(as are you) that he would have caught you on top end. The ZR-1 aren't stoplight warriors by any means due to the gearing. They don't hit second till almost(or actualy a little above) 60mph and can easily run 115+ in 3rd gear. My '95 went 12.63@113 at about 1300ft altitude when it was stock....

As for being able to tell what year... You can tell by the side gills unless they changed them... I can tell a ZR-1 from just about any angle, its just harder from the front(and sometime not possible). They have a solar tinted windsheild...

As for reliability... The '93 up were 4 bolt motors where the older ones were only 2, but they were both very reliable engines....

Whats the best way to tell if its a ZR-1??? From the back. There are about 1.5" black strips on each side of the license plate before the backup lights. This is part of the 'wide' butt conversion the ZR-1s went through. AS far as I know, there are only a handful of non-ZR1s that have been given this treatment by their owners and chances are they were to harness a LOT more power than even the ZR-1 makes.

 

[backinblack]

I am sorry to tell you brian kelly that GM did not make a 1969 ZL-1 corvette in a ragtop. Atleast not for production, only as a test mule. :roll: They only made two for production, both with t-tops one was white and the other was red. The white ZL-1 was setup for autocross with the M-22 and 3:70 gears, and the red one was nicknamed "the saturday night special" and was setup for drag racing :lol: at the track with auto trans and a 4:88 geared rear end. Quote from second site "With 9" slicks and open headers, every automotive reporter at the session
was running the 1/4 mile in 10.9 Sec. @ 132 MPH!!"
http://cars.dozer.com/features/zl1/zl1.html
http://www.zlx.com/Corvette/legends.htm
I am still looking for the others. Also the white ZL-1 rumored to be in Houston.

 

[ABLITZ]

yup they only made two vetts with the ZL-1 and 69 camaros.rare peice

 

[warmpancakes]

chevrolet owns a yellow Zl1 corvette the only one left it was seized by the US government from a columbian drug lord in the 80s gm bought it anfd restored it last I heard it resides in Bowling green kentucky ,
and as far as dads car it went to a builder in connecticut, they are handeling the whole build bascilly drop the car off write a check they will call when its done, I do know they are rebuilding the whole motor doing some brake work and some chassis work ken

 

[warmpancakes]

actually chevy doesnt own it http://www.rogerscorvette.com/spots/feb98/spot.htm this guy does

 

[BrianKelly]

ZL-1:
Yes, I know there was no production ZL-1 Vette Roadster, but I still want one! ;-)
As far as the 10.9 run by the ZL-1 and the reporters, this was no production car.
Typical Chevy doing the special prep work just before show boating
(no smog rules back then either).
Just like the new Z06 Vette that runs mid-hi 4's to low 5's 0-60 and then all of a sudden in a big spread in one of the mags (C&D I think it was) it runs a 3.9.
Hmm. Better than the much more powerful with much more grip Viper, and about the same as the AWD C4 turbo with with slightly more power. Now Chevy plasters this all over the place, how typical, again. BMW posts on their site that the 2002 M Coup does 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, but even Roadster does it in 4.7 (Motor Trend), and the Coup did it in 4.3 (both the 315hp versions). Chevy should learn some ethics. At least the ZR-1 claims seemed to all be true.

Thanks for the tips on spotting the ZR-1s.

ZL-1 info from rogerscorvette.com:
"The L-88s as Chevrolet produced them typically had over 500 hp right off the showroom. They were tested and ran in the 13 second elapsed time range of 112 mph."
This is the exact same info I mentioned earlier about the Hot Rod test of this car.

Man, a 1969 ZL-1 Vette. What I wouldn't do to have that:
http://www.rogerscorvette.com/spots/feb98/zl1_right_s.jpg

More info, although I think this author should include
some foot notes on where he found his info:
http://cars.dozer.com/features/zl1/zl1.html

 

[Drichter]

Porsche 993 Data

Porsche 993 Data

In my Owners manual for the 1997 993 Porsche Twin Turbo it says 0-60 in 4.2 seconds and 1/4 mile in 12.7 @ the factory 408 hp. Now with the upgrade to the GT-2 motor parts and some other special items with over 460 HP (he he I wont tell all :wink: ) it can easily do a 0-60 time of 3.7 or less with a good launch. The quarter comes in in the low 11's high 10's with a trap speed over 130 mph. Good tire pressures and proper amount of throttle @ launch are learned to keep from frying all 4 tires. But the real fun is feeling it pulling even harder above 140mph. I have toyed 8) with vette's and none have been close not even a Z-06......or they all just quit on me? I still love my Syclone cause its easier to get a fool to try to race when they have no clue what they are up against.

"Cannonball"
Sy #2072

 

[1BADSUV]

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Dreichter,

Have you taken your 993TT to track? What kind of 60 ft's have you gotten? I would like to own a 993TTS someday.

Joel

 

[warmpancakes]

Pops had a 1996 911 turbo s, was a nightmare of recalls and maintanence, in the year he had it was at the dealer more. Finally he dumped it
Factory specs were bnicy 0-60 3.8 sec and qtr in 11.7 Now hes got the ZR-1 picked it up cheap Ken

 

[1BADSUV]

Porsche

Porsche

Warmpancakes,

So your saying the 993TTS was a P.O.S. because of too many problem's with the car? I have never heard or read that there were that many problem's with that particuliar car.

Joel

 

[Drichter]

993 Porsche

993 Porsche

Well I have found no recall info on either of the two 993's I have owned! As far as them being a piece of crap :evil: , Ill take the crap over anything else :lol: . Vette's dont have the style or finish they used to. Yes they are an Icon in automotive history but the little Porsche impresses the heck out of me.
I think there were some problems with the liquid cooled 996's but I have absolutly no problems with mine.
And after the crash in the first one I bought a second one, because the way it was built saved my life :roll: . If you want details go to www.p-car.com and look in the stories or wrecks section for Dougs 993. I have not ran a 60' time but I plan to stick the g-tech to the windshield this weekend. If you are looking for a Guards Red one, Kelly Moss Motorsports in Madison Wi had one with the 450 hp upgrade for 89,000 I believe.
Doug

 

[Falco]

Doug,







Man, for that kind of money you can build three faster cars than that 993. No 60ft's but it will hit the 10's. Sure. :roll: The 993 weights around 3300lbs without you. If I grant you 480PS it's still 'just' 11.8. Don't get me wrong. The 993 is a really great car, but with a really bad price/performance ratio. And it's fast too, but not that fast.





Anyway, I still could be wrong. Show us a timeslip and a video...

Peace,

 

[warmpancakes]

Im not saying it was POS , it was a excellent car,but for the money you would expect a little better. and the reason he bought the ZRI wa is he got it for 16k with 18,000 miles on it , 1 owner guy was trading it in and pops was in the right place at the right time.

Sorry for the long post but these are the TSB and recalls entered against the car, for only being buit a few years and so few of them made this is a very large nuimber, dont get me wrong I would love to have the car, but this one was a lemon.



0101 OCT 01 OBD II - New Report Submission Procedure
6/01 AUG 01 Radio - Retrofit of New Version Becker Model
1/00 OCT 00 A/C Condenser Fan - Updated Ballast Resistor
1/00 OCT 00 Oil Cooler Fan - Updated Ballast Resistor
99 01 NOV 99 Vehicle - Year 2000 Hardware/Software Readiness
1/99 OCT 99 Headlamp (low beam) - Bracket
4440 MAR 99 Tires/Wheels - Winter Tires and Chain Applications
4440 MAR 99 Tires/Wheels - Winter Tires, and Snow Chain Applications
9068 JAN 99 Vehicle Security Codes - Requesting
00335 DEC 98 OBD II Related Procedures - Revised Report Submission
99032 DEC 98 Tachometer/Trip Computer Bulb - Replacing
6863 NOV 98 Air Bag Control Unit - Revised
2635 SEP 98 Exhaust - Installation of Dual Tailpipe
4440 AUG 98 Tires/Wheels - Recommeded Summar Usage
2470 AUG 98 Warranty - Reporting OBDII Related Repairs
9608 MAR 98 Security Codes - Requesting
1378 FEB 98 Alternator - Belt Failure or Belt Noises
2706 DEC 97 Battery - Revised With 70 Ah Rating
77059 JAN 97 Door Panel - Air Leak
66816 JAN 97 Storage Box - Installation
19604 NOV 96 Cylinder Head Studs - Installation Precautions
69610 OCT 96 Spoilers - Approved Installation of Aero Kits
69609 SEP 96 Air Bag Control Unit - Revised Unit
39606 SEP 96 Clutch Pressure Plate - Chatter
59601 SEP 96 Inner Fender Liner - Rattle Noises
99602 AUG 96 CD Changer - Installation
19603 AUG 96 Oil Fill Pipe Bellows - Information On Revised Part
29605 AUG 96 Vacuum Lines - Preventing Disconnections or Kinks
29604 JUL 96 Exhaust System - Sulfur Like Smell
99601 JUN 96 Center Stoplight - Replacement Bulbs Available
69607 JUN 96 Airbag - Revised Part and Mounting
19602 JUN 96 Engine - Cleaning of Oil Circuits
29603 JUN 96 MIL ON, DTC P130 through P0160 (Oxygen Sensor) Set
89602 JUN 96 A/C - Use of Correct Refrigerant
19601 JUN 96 Engine/Transaxle - Hardware Replacement During Service
89601 MAY 96 A/C lines - Corrosion at Rubber Mounts
49605 APR 96 Front Suspension - Creaking/Grinding Noises
69605 APR 96 Rearview Mirror - Installation of Automatic Dimming
49602 MAR 96 Rear Axle - Installing Distance Spacers
49603 FEB 96 Self Centering CV Joints - Vibration at 110 to 125 MPH
49601 JAN 96 Brake Fluid Reservoir - Revised Venting
09602 JAN 96 PDI - Removal of Fuses During Transport or Storage
09601 JAN 96 Vehicle - Maintenance Requirements
29601 JAN 96 Electronic Control Module - Software Programming Error

 

[Drichter]

Well all I have to say is there is a big difference between a TSB and a Recall! TSB's are out on every car built to help mechanics trouble shoot & repair problems. This can be for one isolated problem or a problem that shows up with improper servicing techniques. TSB's do not mean a car is a problem waiting to happen. As for recalls I still dont see one on your list!
The comment about it being fast but not that fast?? How do you define fast? How many production cars are out there that will do over 185 mph, stock? Maybe your experience with the 993 was a bad one, but there are those who have had bad experiences with Syclones too. And yes one can build a quick/fast car for less but, I still dont enjoy driving my Sy anywhere over 2 hours at one sitting. The Porsche, well lets just say 18 hours was comfortable!
Doug

 

[Drichter]

Recall & TSB Ratio

Recall & TSB Ratio

For a complete list of the, " 4 Safety Recalls", the "1 General recall" and the "323 TSB's" on the Syclone go this link http://www.alldata.com/TSB/23/91233168.html
Compared to only 66 Service bulletins on the Porsche http://www.alldata.com/TSB/50/96505638.html
The Syclone has a TSB Ratio of 4.9 : 1 compared to the Porsche.
I would not call the Porsche a lemon! I am not going to argue with you because you obviously know what you are talking about. so therefore I will continue to enjoy both of these fine vehicles, and thank you for your input.
Doug