rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

[danimal95]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

ok I thought you were talking about sleeves for the outer tie rod ends that engage the spindle.On the late model R&P there isnt a sleeve to make adjustments,thats why you had to have sleeves made.For anyone else doing this you can just run a SN95 mustang rack,trim the inner tie rod ends and 1" and ream the outer spindles to accept the SN95 outer tie rods,to simplify things,which are also a much more robust piece than the OE sy/ty ends

 

[sy605]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

ok I thought you were talking about sleeves for the outer tie rod ends that engage the spindle.On the late model R&P there isnt a sleeve to make adjustments,thats why you had to have sleeves made.For anyone else doing this you can just run a SN95 mustang rack,trim the inner tie rod ends and 1" and ream the outer spindles to accept the SN95 outer tie rods,to simplify things,which are also a much more robust piece than the OE sy/ty ends

Great info.:tup: I might bust out the welder this winter.:lol:

 

[sycam_steve]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

And if anyone is interested my old close ratio IROC steering box is for sale

Can this be used with a stock truck? If so send me a PM with the price.

Thanks,

SyCam_Steve

 

[Don W.]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

LMK if the box doesn't sell. I might be interested. My steering is loose so I've got to do something. Sure like the R&P installs!!

 

[Quickstop [UK]]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Can you guys weigh in a little bit with info on the reasons the stock manifolds won't work? I'm guessing it's because you had to angle the box towards the rear of the truck so that only two Borgeson joints were used.

I was looking into this because a 90 steering box would allow you to tip the rack a little forwards forwards, not have to weld the motor mount pad/chassis and then use the stock manifolds. It may end up being a plug'n'play setup...

Here is what I found so far...

I don't think this is the perfect box but 90* box input is what we need I think to crack this nut.

What do you Rack and Pinion pioneers think?

Here's where I got the info from: http://forums.bajasae.net/forum/bevel-gearbox-for-steering_topic519.html

 

[mattw]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Can you guys weigh in a little bit with info on the reasons the stock manifolds won't work? I'm guessing it's because you had to angle the box towards the rear of the truck so that only two Borgeson joints were used.

I was looking into this because a 90 steering box would allow you to tip the rack a little forwards forwards, not have to weld the motor mount pad/chassis and then use the stock manifolds. It may end up being a plug'n'play setup...

Here is what I found so far...

I don't think this is the perfect box but 90* box input is what we need I think to crack this nut.

What do you Rack and Pinion pioneers think?

Here's where I got the info from: http://forums.bajasae.net/forum/bevel-gearbox-for-steering_topic519.html

Something like that would help tremendously. Does that box change the direction of rotation? If so that would be an issue..

 

[Quickstop [UK]]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Good to know.

From the looks of it, and the cutaway, no, I don't think it changes the direction of rotation. Here is another one:

The first one I posted looks like it has quite a low torque rating but that is apparently down to roll pins in it. A quick blast with a TIG would solve that problem.

Or there is this on:

They're all 1:1 ratio but there are also reducers and if you reverse it, expanders (is that the correct terminology) for a tighter ratio etc. That one is designed to take 59 ftlbs so would probably be better as opposed to the first one I posted (minus TIG etc)

They have quite a few on the site. I am sure there are others.

I was thinking that could be welded to the frame/mounted and then have a shaft from the output of the box using a borgeson joint. Then one borgeson joint to the steering column and you're done.

Dunno - someone needs to get one in their hands and be a guinea pig on this. It's encouraging to hear that it looks promising though!

The other recomendation is to build your own using McMaster Carr

 

[Quickstop [UK]]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Here's the page with all their products FWIW.

http://sdp-si.com/eStore/CoverPg/Right_Angle_Drives.htm

 

[sy605]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Adding a box just seems to make things more complicated. I like the one steering shaft idea.:2cents:

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

ok I thought you were talking about sleeves for the outer tie rod ends that engage the spindle.On the late model R&P there isnt a sleeve to make adjustments,thats why you had to have sleeves made.For anyone else doing this you can just run a SN95 mustang rack,trim the inner tie rod ends and 1" and ream the outer spindles to accept the SN95 outer tie rods,to simplify things,which are also a much more robust piece than the OE sy/ty ends

Only reason I didn't want to ream is in case for whatever reason I wanted to go back. Also because it sounded like a PITA but for simplicity down the road I am still tossing around ordering the bit. I actually bought the ends when I bought the rack.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I like the box with the flange bolt holes but truthfully, you would have to build a shaft and it would not likely clear the stock manifolds. I tried real hard to make mine only using two joints so I cut my upper diff mount out like Matt and what do you know, end up using 3 joints anyway. Also tried to make as much room possible for stock manifolds but no go, they hit the steering joints. If I could go back, I would have left that alone and dealt with it. But I will say, if I ever have to take the diff out it will be quite easy now.

Thanks for the inspiration Matt and Dan :tup:

 

[danimal95]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I like the box with the flange bolt holes but truthfully, you would have to build a shaft and it would not likely clear the stock manifolds. I tried real hard to make mine only using two joints so I cut my upper diff mount out like Matt and what do you know, end up using 3 joints anyway. Also tried to make as much room possible for stock manifolds but no go, they hit the steering joints. If I could go back, I would have left that alone and dealt with it. But I will say, if I ever have to take the diff out it will be quite easy now.

Thanks for the inspiration Matt and Dan :tup:

agreed abut taking the front diff out being easy,if you look at the first thread i started you can see that I made the rear lower diff mount to the control arm completely removable,my front diff now comes out in about 20 minutes,no joke...which gives me great piece of mind with the hp I'm putting through it

 

[sparkwire]

Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

what is the travel on the mustang R&P? how bad is the steering radius cut down? how about exiting the parking garage?(spiral on the decline)