HERE WE ARE ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[JSM]

on a stock block

stock block? hardly.

this isnt a bowtie block.

i know its not bowtie....but i just don't consider a block that started stock, and has been worked and everything replaced to still be stock. billet crank, o-ring deck, childs/albert rods, je pistons, sure its bored over...
Don't wanna get into the whole "it is/isn't" argument, i shouldn't have posted my orginal comment. I don't consider mine stock either.

go bust out some 9s

LMAO according to some people here its not really a Syclone either ROFL

It's a chevy sprint right?

 

[MikeRenz]

on a stock block

stock block? hardly.

this isnt a bowtie block.

i know its not bowtie....but i just don't consider a block that started stock, and has been worked and everything replaced to still be stock. billet crank, o-ring deck, childs/albert rods, je pistons, sure its bored over...
Don't wanna get into the whole "it is/isn't" argument, i shouldn't have posted my orginal comment. I don't consider mine stock either.

go bust out some 9s

LMAO according to some people here its not really a Syclone either ROFL

thats not what i was implying at all

 

[mhoover]

ed and harry! u guys have done a great job with ur truck and done it with a sub par block and heads! how many people in the syty community have run 10.02 or faster? i can think of 4, correct me if im wrong, including ed (awd v6s of course)!!! i dont think the other 3 had sub par anything! im giving u props bc u deserve it! everybody else should too!!!!!

MATT

 

[Mad Mike]

LMAO according to some people here its not really a Syclone either ROFL

Oh, really? What people? You really know how to twist words. It IS a GMC Syclone - V6 AWD turbocharged and intercooled. The way it came from the factory. :fist: :fist: :fist:

 

[toolmann]

on a stock block

stock block? hardly.

this isnt a bowtie block.

i know its not bowtie....but i just don't consider a block that started stock, and has been worked and everything replaced to still be stock. billet crank, o-ring deck, childs/albert rods, je pistons, sure its bored over...
Don't wanna get into the whole "it is/isn't" argument, i shouldn't have posted my orginal comment. I don't consider mine stock either.

go bust out some 9s

in my opinion,Eds matching numbers chassis/block (assuming/original owner) is the purist form of a syclone you can get,reguardless of the internals-body/suspension mods. a matching numbers (original block) truck may not be a big deal now...but in 15 years when there are none of these trucks to be had,the ones with matching #s will be worth the most coin and will command greater respect from collectors/purist

what Ed and his crew have done is simply amazing!!
keep charging toward those 9s,Ed!!!


just my .02
T

 

[dgoodhue]

Ed's truck isn't matching numbers, Morgan Ty has Eds short block in it. As for the matching numbers, our motor don't have our VIN's production sequence on them. The only way to prove a matching number block is by the build sheet.

 

[toolmann]

in my opinion,Eds matching numbers chassis/block (assuming/original owner) is the purist form of a syclone you can get

i did not know that the motor had been swapped,i assumed it was original due to his sig....my bad.

i thought GM sent the trucks to PAS semi complete with long blocks to be finished.assuming they were produced via a GM assembly line like the other million or soo GM trucks produced,it would stand to reason there would still have a sequence,no?

sorry,im still learning about these bastard children of GM...





derrr...
T

 

[MPE Racing Fab]

You guys are tooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are tooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

matching numbers? :lol: lol!

bowtie block? nah its stock, we'll be a lot less tedious with the boost with the bowtie block! Given What ed's truck is doing now with the bowl blended vortecs (that flow pisspants #'s) Ed's winter project should net some **** et's....well you'll find out! :lol:

Billet crank? would you like us to break 10 stockers in the process or keep the billet? :wink: Actually a 4340 piece is STRONGER than a billet crankshaft!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

At this point it really dont matter....other than hoover you other guys have quite a few 1/10ths to go in order to catch up to ed (I'm not rubbing this in your face-because everyone has different thoughts) BUT.... One thing can be said.... Of the fastest top 4 on the list I bet ed's is the HEAVIEST!!!!! You mean weight savings??? whats dat?

C'Mon fellas.....Ed is just one fast "old fart"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Syclone#1992]

Re: You guys are tooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: You guys are tooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C'Mon fellas.....Ed is just one fast "old fart"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With a ton of money to spend.....

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: You guys are tooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: You guys are tooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C'Mon fellas.....Ed is just one fast "old fart"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With a ton of money to spend.....

not like the other top 4 haven't spent any money

 

[Captain Morgan]

Ed's truck isn't matching numbers, Morgan Ty has Eds short block in it. As for the matching numbers, our motor don't have our VIN's production sequence on them. The only way to prove a matching number block is by the build sheet.

my Ty doesnt, the '92 does
and yes, our motors do have the VIN numbers stamped right on them, no need for a build sheet.

this is the original motor out of the duck....

you can clearly reads TN0812008

the VIN on the duck is 1GDCT18Z9N0812008. You cant tell the year, what plant it was made in and the factory production sequence just from the motor.

 

[ghettosled]

regardless of the amount of money and resources that have been used in building this truck, the fact remains that Ed's truck runs the numbers. Sure you can buy a bowtie block, bigger turbo, better flowing heads but that isnt going to automatically net you a quick ET. Ed has had the patience to go to the track weekly, work on his 60fts, datalog everything, update weakpoints and give Harry enough road head for a years worth of blowers cramp. I'm sure if we all put in half the time Ed does, all our trucks would be atleast a few 10ths faster. Just goes to show how much tuning and getting to know your truck will take you and cost you next to nothing.

 

[ed hess]

regardless of the amount of money and resources that have been used in building this truck, the fact remains that Ed's truck runs the numbers. Sure you can buy a bowtie block, bigger turbo, better flowing heads but that isnt going to automatically net you a quick ET. Ed has had the patience to go to the track weekly, work on his 60fts, datalog everything, update weakpoints and give Harry enough road head for a years worth of blowers cramp. I'm sure if we all put in half the time Ed does, all our trucks would be atleast a few 10ths faster. Just goes to show how much tuning and getting to know your truck will take you and cost you next to nothing.

Mike

>>and give Harry enough road head <<

Please tell me in a nice way what "ROAD HEAD" is ? lol

hopefully its some kinda of typo.

ed<---about to flamed again

 

[Tydriver]

LMAO according to some people here its not really a Syclone either ROFL

Oh, really? What people? You really know how to twist words. It IS a GMC Syclone - V6 AWD turbocharged and intercooled. The way it came from the factory. :fist: :fist: :fist:

Some people are soo clueless. :roll:

I need to update this so as NOT to start another war, I am merely referring to what OTHER people think, personally, I think its a KICK-ASS truck, and while I dont always see eye to eye with ed, I think its cool what he's done with the truck. Just like I have mentioned about Doc Hoovers truck, Mark Schafers Stokes Stroker truck etc, I was referring to what other people have made comments about MY truck and MY PROJECT, some people here feel that if the truck has anything other than stock displacement and stock # of cylinders its no longer a Syclone or Typhoon. Personally, I disagree with that.

To run the numbers, Ed chose a path thats worked well for him, Ryan Raketich and Doc Hoover chose a different path, as well as the truck that Mark Schafer has, I also am chosing a different path. People here are soo close minded to anything thats not in their idea of thinking what is and what ISNT a SyTy..

That was reason for comment...

I say Kudo's to Ed and his truck, I hope it runs 9's I think its waaaay overdue to have a truly blistering fast syclone or typhoon (by blistering fast, I'm talking about low 9's) Doc Hoover pushed first into the 9's, then the doode from overseas, thats cool Its nice to see a small war happening of sorts in this area, instead of everyone posting a 13 sec slip. The sad part is, some people out there say based on their opinion what is and what ISNT a SyTy. I thought we were all hear to enjoy our trucks not to pick everyones truck apart about things we DONT like or dont agree with.

Say what you will, if someone has a SyTy, I fully support however they wanna modify it.. If nobody did something different, we'd all be running 20g turbos and ATR intercoolers and that would be the end of the mods.

 

[myclone]

Geeze... For such a small group a thread can crash and burn in record time around here :roll: :roll: . Wait, maybe Im on the wrong board...is this hondatech.com?

Terms for the rotating assembly challenged...

Block= Just that... the bare block. The term block does NOT encompass any moving parts at all but it does hold all the other moving parts in their proper place. Without the block the rest of the engine is just a bunch of parts with no home. Generally speaking a bowtie, aluminum, cryptonite, or moon rock dust block wont make a single more hp or ft lb of torque than the stock block. Stronger blocks only allow you to beat the engine harder for a longer period of time without it grenading. Reliability is the goal with a non stock block way more so than the block making more hp by itself.

Stock block= Be it a replacement block or the original block your truck came with as long as it is cast iron, V6 style wet sump oiling, and came in any vehicle GM built on the production line then its a "stock" block. So what if the block came from a syty or an astro van as other than syty specific main caps its the same damn thing.

High $$ rods/cranks/pistons= This stuff doesnt make any more power than the stock stuff so who cares if the engine has $5000 pixie dust rods in it? All they allow is you to do is beat the motor time after time without carrying it home in a 5 gallon bucket unlike the stock rods. Reliability not hp is what high $$ rods/pistons/cranks do. They do not make more hp generally speaking.

"Billet" crank= We REALLY need to get this one correct... Billet is an overworked term that 85% of the "car guys" buy into. If the package says "Billet" theyll buy it no matter if its a crank or an ashtray. Anyways, a "billet" crank is ANY crank carved out of a solid chunk of material by machining it. You could have a billet aluminum crank if you wanted but it wouldnt be worth a damn but it would be "billet" cause it started out as a chunk of solid alum. Same goes for 4340 steel, iron, nickle, whatever... Start with a solid block (aka a "billet") of any material and carve it into something else via machining and TA FREAKIN DA you now have a "billet" something else.

Billet=solid chunk of metal and nothing more.

Thank you for your time and give em hell Ed.

 

[MikeRenz]

myclone,
i was trying to dissociate between an stock block and original block. Maybe its just my opinion w/ no basis at all, but I just don't consider our block to be "stock" once its been bored out, water passages filled, decked, treated, whatever.

i was also assuming that by 'block' we were talking about the 'short block'. My error in judgement maybe, but thats just what i consider to be 'block'. If someone asks you what you've done to your block, you're gonna mention what crank work you've done, rod/pistons you chosen.

anyway, i think its more opinion than definitive. I retract my previous "stock block? hardly." statement becuase i don't feel like explaining my opinion anymore.

 

[myclone]

myclone,
i was trying to dissociate between an stock block and original block. Maybe its just my opinion w/ no basis at all, but I just don't consider our block to be "stock" once its been bored out, water passages filled, decked, treated, whatever.

The general consensous in the car guy world is that even a well worked over production block is still a "stock block". What youve done by performing the work you mentioned above is to make a stock cylinder block more reliable and stable as a basis for adding more hp and torque.

i was also assuming that by 'block' we were talking about the 'short block'. My error in judgement maybe, but thats just what i consider to be 'block'. If someone asks you what you've done to your block, you're gonna mention what crank work you've done, rod/pistons you chosen.

The general consensous is that a "block" is just that...the bare cylinder block or cylinder "case" as some ppl call it. The terms do get interchanged from person to person though so before you buy/sell a "block" or "short block" make sure you and the other person in the transaction both agree with what those terms mean. The best way I can describe which term to use is to go to your local car dealer and check the price on a "block" then check the price on a "short block" as there is a HUGE difference between those terms in what it will cost and what you will get .

anyway, i think its more opinion than definitive. I retract my previous "stock block? hardly." statement becuase i don't feel like explaining my opinion anymore.

I understand your position on not wanting to explain it and all. No problem here and I feel the same way anymore but I have some time to kill before cleaning the pine needles out of the gutters (like Im chomping at the bit to go do that :roll: .

Basically most anyone who deals with engines on a daily basis will agree with the following terms and definitions:

Block= bare block or cylinder case with no rotating assembly parts included but it usually includes the main caps/bolts. No crank rods, pistons.. No nothing included in this term other than the bare block.

Short Block= a cylinder block with the crank, rods, pistons, oil pump, and oil pan installed and ready to go. Basically you could add your cam, heads, and intake system along with the accessories like water pump, alt, etc and be ready to drop it in the vehicle and drive off.

Long block= same as the short block but includes the cam, lifters, push rods, and complete cylinder heads not to mention that stuff is all bolted togeather and ready to go. Add your intake manifold, accessories, drop it in the vehicle and drive away.

 

[sy1907]

^ exactly what i meant myclone. Ed, your truck rocks, nothing else matters. Go get the nine!

 

[midnightbluS10]

Ed, your truck rocks, nothing else matters. Go get the nine!

I concur :k::

 

[mrsyclone]

Congrats Ed !!!

Regards Robert