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I want to eliminate the egr, turn up the boost , and install 3 bar map. Where can I get a chip or can I tune myself?
I want to eliminate the egr, turn up the boost , and install 3 bar map. Where can I get a chip or can I tune myself?
Hoe about e85? I was thinking about running that?
As you expected, I disagree with you. IMO, the best tune your truck will ever receive is one from you. No one is going to care more about how your truck runs or tune your truck in all the conditions that you can put it in, than you. Think a tune done 1000 miles away at 1000' lower elevation on a cold winter day will be ideal for your truck year round? Hardly.A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. Do the mods and wrenching yourself. Get some tuning tools.
HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE YOUR TRUCK! And I mean a shop that knows theses trucks. Not a tuner that knows mustangs and civics. Some one that has proven themselves over and over again on how effective their tuning is on syty's
People on here encourage others to start learning to tune on their trucks. Every person that I talk to that tries to learn goes through at least one motor. :2cents:
More boost means more octane. Pump gas is not going to cut it. You have to spray alky, run E85, or race fuel.
Here is a place to get started on what you need for tuning equipment.
http://www.code59.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=55
A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. Do the mods and wrenching yourself. Get some tuning tools.
HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE YOUR TRUCK! And I mean a shop that knows theses trucks. Not a tuner that knows mustangs and civics. Some one that has proven themselves over and over again on how effective their tuning is on syty's
People on here encourage others to start learning to tune on their trucks. Every person that I talk to that tries to learn goes through at least one motor. :2cents:
More boost means more octane. Pump gas is not going to cut it. You have to spray alky, run E85, or race fuel.
Here is a place to get started on what you need for tuning equipment.
http://www.code59.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=55
In your mind a tune might be on the edge but in reality, every tune can be vastly affected by seasonal conditions. If you think for a moment that IAT/humidity/barometric pressure changes affect only those pushing the limit of their tune, then you're mistaken. I say this as a SyTy tuner of 12 years with over 60 SyTys under my belt. I'm not guessing that these factors affect tunes....I know they do.I agree with what is being said. But here are some points I would like to bring up respectfuly.
A tune that needs to change because of the season in my mind is "on the edge"
Why not tune the truck mildly and enjoy the truck all year round worry free? I agree you will gain performance changing the tune to changing conditions.
A 9 second truck will always need tweaking to get the most out of it. Is that everyone’s goal?
If you had a good tune and all of a sudden you see some KR. Maybe there is another problem other than the tune? Maybe instead of trying to run that 4 extra degrees of timing all the time; dial it back so you don’t ever see the KR. Based off conditions. Same thing applies to boost.
No one is asking you to question Nolan. I've known Nolan for many years and trust him as much as anyone to tune a SyTy. But understand that chassis dynos are not a feasible option for everyone, however, no one is saying you have to put yourself and everyone else in danger by driving like a fool on the street. I tune all the time on the street. Put laptop in truck, set it to record, and review the log when I get home/work. Drive it like normal and if the opportunity arises to go WOT, I do so.....safely. And you act as though part throttle and idle never need tuning....things that can be tuned safely and easily.I will agree a street tune is the best tune. But how unsafe is it doing pull after pull on the street and trying to monitor the truck. Yes there are track days but lots of people dont tune just on track days. There is no way you can get a full tune in 5 pulls down the track.
A chassis dyno or an engine dyno is also a great tool. Nolan himself told me he can hit sections of the tune with the controlled environment of the engine dyno you would never get on the street. Why would I question that? He’s proven to be one of the best tuners around.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Any tuner knows this. Caring how a truck runs year round leads to good tunes. A 30 minute dyno session doesn't often lend itself to this level of care. Tuning for yourself and wanting to see every area of the tune approach 100% does.I agree with the statement "you’re going to care about your truck more than anyone else" TRUE %100
It really does not come down to caring. It comes down to good tune vs bad tune.
You act as though tuning a truck is like building a house from scratch. It's not. Most tunes you find for your build (esp. from the code59 DB or from us code59 tuners) will be very close. Think of it like repainting a house instead. Thinking that a truck with a PT67, 422 cam, and 60# injectors is gonna have to start with a stock bin to tune from is just plain wrong. Grab a bin of like tune from the DB and tweak to your specific truck/location/condition.How about you pay the money for a professional tune. Drive the truck all summer, and maybe modify the tune from there if you think you can do better. You can always back up the original tune if you make things worse, at the same time learning the truck. Sounds like fun to me.
That's just bad info. Thinking that a truck has to be grounded from fun/racing during the tuning phase and that it requires a year to learn to tune is....I'm sorry..... asinine. Tuning is a work in progress and large amounts of tuning feedback comes from racing and playing with the truck. But do it conservatively and work up. Don't run to the dragstrip with a tune that commands 24 deg advance on a 12.0 AFR on pump gas and expect it not to detonate. Start with 16 deg advance on a 10.5 AFR and work up. That's just common sense and doesn't require the truck to sit on the sidelines while the tuned trucks have fun.Yes, the power to tune your own truck is one of the best things you can do for yourself. Most new owners don’t have much experience tuning. Tuning is not just playing with a fuel table. If you’re a tuner I don’t need to explain that to you. Yes, you can learn. But dedicate an entire year only learning to tune. That means most of the time you will be driving around figuring things out. Not drag racing, not auto crossing. Not having fun with the truck and being down most of the time. Then tell the guy with the mustang you cant race because you are still working on a tune.![]()
I respect that, but realize that I to am speaking from my experience, a longtime tuner and advocate for self-tuning. There will always be those that tune for themselves and those that pay others to do so. That's not unique to SyTys. I personally feel that tuning for yourself reaps greater rewards, provides the ability to datalog/modify the tune, gives insight to the truck/tune that you can't get otherwise, and gives a tremendous sense of accomplishment. But to each their own....There are a lot of guys on here that are great tuners and really know their way around code59. They might even lend a helping hand. I’m just laying out what my experience is.
Just speaking from a new guy stand point and trying to point them in the right direction.
I respect all opinions but Im going to speak out about why I have mine.Its all good <3
lm all ready! I wont need a retune with my set up. I can be pig rich at 40 psi base fuel preasure with my -10 to -8 fuel lines.. 60lb injectors. And this was with q16 which requires alot more fuel. Im hopping the e98 will help even my tune back out.
Im also researching the idea of removing the intercooler and spraying meth before and after the turbo. Tons of GN people are doing this with great succes! This should help me spool quicker and gain the 2 /3 psi back lost with the intercooler. Still not totally sold on the idea..
Just curious as to what Nolan suggest for your A/F ratio to be when running Q16?
Seen some of your vids & the A/F ratio has been as rich as 10.0
I talked w/Julio & he does not suggest running a spray nozzle befor the compressor wheel.
I have not seen any much talk about running a meth nozzle before the compressor wheel w/great success on http://www.turbobuick.com/messagebd/. Maybe on a different forum?
lm all ready! I wont need a retune with my set up. I can be pig rich at 40 psi base fuel preasure with my -10 to -8 fuel lines.. 60lb injectors. And this was with q16 which requires alot more fuel. Im hopping the e98 will help even my tune back out.
Im also researching the idea of removing the intercooler and spraying meth before and after the turbo. Tons of GN people are doing this with great succes! This should help me spool quicker and gain the 2 /3 psi back lost with the intercooler. Still not totally sold on the idea..
Just curious as to what Nolan suggest for your A/F ratio to be when running Q16?
Seen some of your vids & the A/F ratio has been as rich as 10.0
I talked w/Julio & he does not suggest running a spray nozzle befor the compressor wheel.
I have not seen any much talk about running a meth nozzle before the compressor wheel w/great success on http://www.turbobuick.com/messagebd/. Maybe on a different forum?
Keep it open. We're being civil and others may find beneficial info from it.I don't want to high jack this thread. Well spoken. I can not say I have tuned 60 sytys. I still think you may have forgotten what its like to not have 60 syty's under your belt. What may seem easy to you and I is not so easy for a beginner. I agree with what you are saying and some I dont.
I have a lot of other comments to make but whats the point right now. PM me if you want to chat.
You have a very solid foundation for which to begin tuning. The hardware that is recommended for tuning for yourself is:SyTyGuy!!!!!! Great write up.....Ok guys, This thread has finally got my head spun about tuning.:roll: I got my first TY about 2 months ago. I am slowly doing all the things to my TY i believe will help it run strong and SAFE, because i believe in a safe build before mashing the gas and it go boom. But i hear SO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS that im dizzy. Im an Auto Body guy for life and can toss the wrench around, BUT the tuning thing is my weakness as im not very up on all the terminology, codes and parameters involved. So far ive done a full tune up (plugs,wires,cap,rotor,fluid changes and flush), RPM Intake kit, vac line kit and EGR delete, Walbro FP, Hotwire Kit, AFPR, Bilstein shocks and Belltech leafs and TurboTweak chip. I am ordering CatBack from RPM next and High flow cat, and after the new year ill be looking into Downpipe, Alky kit, front propshaft and rebuilding the turbo....
I want a SAFE,12 second,reliable truck. I ALSO want to learn how to tune it MYSELF because im plenty smart enough, and i think its important to know. BUT WHERE do i start? Ive read sooooooo much stuff and it just makes my head hurt. I sent the chip back to Eric at TurboTweak to make it 3 bar for future upgrade possibiity, and to read the strange logs i pulled that made NO sense to me really. Isnt there a scan TOOL for dummys or something i can buy that can simplify the tuning process for me? I know a few tuners in my area, but the tune Mustangs and Vettes and Civics and stuff. NOT TYPHOONS, and I know these trucks are different/unique/special and need the right "brainpower". I have had some good help from some members here already and i thank them so much for that, and to all the members on this site. Without you all, i would have never bought a TY, because im an old school guy and all my cars have been older and non-computer run. So i ask...... Am i doing the right things to my TY?
Im all ears!!!