more boost, fuel etc.

wheele rider

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I want to eliminate the egr, turn up the boost , and install 3 bar map. Where can I get a chip or can I tune myself?
 

SYCLONE#1531

'MOFOFAST
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

Turbo tweak, RPM (RACE PROVEN MOTORS) , HOOD TUNED PERFORMANCE, Cample Automotive. All site adverisers. Good luck with your choice!!:D
 
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

I want to eliminate the egr, turn up the boost , and install 3 bar map. Where can I get a chip or can I tune myself?

A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. Do the mods and wrenching yourself. Get some tuning tools.
HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE YOUR TRUCK! And I mean a shop that knows theses trucks. Not a tuner that knows mustangs and civics. Some one that has proven themselves over and over again on how effective their tuning is on syty's
People on here encourage others to start learning to tune on their trucks. Every person that I talk to that tries to learn goes through at least one motor. :2cents:

More boost means more octane. Pump gas is not going to cut it. You have to spray alky, run E85, or race fuel.

Here is a place to get started on what you need for tuning equipment.
http://www.code59.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=55
 

SYCLONE#1531

'MOFOFAST
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

Mike at RPM tuned my truck. Its tuned for 110 and c16 by a multi chip 16 different tunes if I remember correctly. I just went 11.40s in it a few weeks ago! Pretty fast for a stocker! Theres many ways to tune! This was the easiest for me. Should go to 11 0s once my 60fts get sorted out! Invest in some torco accelerator if you wanna go fast on pump gas! Dont ever scim on the octane our yull have a dead truck!!:2cents:
Converting to E98 for the new race season and loosing 200 more lbs! current 3280!

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Hoe about e85? I was thinking about running that?

You have to run double the injector, double the fuel pump, and replace all the stock fuel lines. Then you are E85 ready. Its really not that bad once you figure it out. Nolan is the best that I know of on tuning E85. Hes been really busy lately. Hard to pin down.
 

SYCLONE#1531

'MOFOFAST
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

lm all ready! I wont need a retune with my set up. I can be pig rich at 40 psi base fuel preasure with my -10 to -8 fuel lines.. 60lb injectors. And this was with q16 which requires alot more fuel. Im hopping the e98 will help even my tune back out.:D
Im also researching the idea of removing the intercooler and spraying meth before and after the turbo. Tons of GN people are doing this with great succes! This should help me spool quicker and gain the 2 /3 psi back lost with the intercooler. Still not totally sold on the idea..

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sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. Do the mods and wrenching yourself. Get some tuning tools.
HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE YOUR TRUCK! And I mean a shop that knows theses trucks. Not a tuner that knows mustangs and civics. Some one that has proven themselves over and over again on how effective their tuning is on syty's
People on here encourage others to start learning to tune on their trucks. Every person that I talk to that tries to learn goes through at least one motor. :2cents:

More boost means more octane. Pump gas is not going to cut it. You have to spray alky, run E85, or race fuel.

Here is a place to get started on what you need for tuning equipment.
http://www.code59.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=55
As you expected, I disagree with you. IMO, the best tune your truck will ever receive is one from you. No one is going to care more about how your truck runs or tune your truck in all the conditions that you can put it in, than you. Think a tune done 1000 miles away at 1000' lower elevation on a cold winter day will be ideal for your truck year round? Hardly.

I sell chips and still tell every person that calls that they would be better off tuning for themselves. Why? Because it's the truth. You will be able to make changes on a daily basis to accommodate whatever condition you see. Does that mean you HAVE to make changes daily and ride around in a 1-seater Syclone because you have a laptop in the passenger seat all the time? Nope. But, you could.....any that's the beauty of it. YOU can change the tune on YOUR own truck whenever YOU feel like it. Want to go racing and throw a few gallons of C16 in the tank? Fire up the laptop and tune it a little more aggressively. Find that it's getting some KR on a hot, hot day? Tune the KR out.

Think $250-300 for the tuning equipment is expensive? Lord knows I'd hate to know what it'd cost to have a professional tuner change my tune seasonally or when I want to go racing. You'd eclipse any hardware costs pretty quickly. And those that are blowing up their engines are doing something wrong. Simple as that. If you have the capacity to monitor and tune your own truck and you blow it up because of the tune, then you should have taken smaller baby steps or not ignored the 15 deg of KR you were getting during that 15 sec WOT blast.

I'm not trying to argue with you, but I just simply don't believe in paying someone else to tune your truck when you have the ability to do it for yourself for so cheap and with such ease.
 

RealFastV6

@jb_and_his_coffee
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. Do the mods and wrenching yourself. Get some tuning tools.
HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE YOUR TRUCK! And I mean a shop that knows theses trucks. Not a tuner that knows mustangs and civics. Some one that has proven themselves over and over again on how effective their tuning is on syty's
People on here encourage others to start learning to tune on their trucks. Every person that I talk to that tries to learn goes through at least one motor. :2cents:

More boost means more octane. Pump gas is not going to cut it. You have to spray alky, run E85, or race fuel.

Here is a place to get started on what you need for tuning equipment.
http://www.code59.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=55

One can't help but wonder... do they go through a motor learning to tune the truck - or do they go through a motor and then they realize that there is nothing you can bolt onto the motor that is going to replace tuning the truck?

;)
 
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I agree with what is being said. But here are some points I would like to bring up respectfuly.

A tune that needs to change because of the season in my mind is "on the edge"
Why not tune the truck mildly and enjoy the truck all year round worry free? I agree you will gain performance changing the tune to changing conditions.
A 9 second truck will always need tweaking to get the most out of it. Is that everyone’s goal?
If you had a good tune and all of a sudden you see some KR. Maybe there is another problem other than the tune? Maybe instead of trying to run that 4 extra degrees of timing all the time; dial it back so you don’t ever see the KR. Based off conditions. Same thing applies to boost.

I will agree a street tune is the best tune. But how unsafe is it doing pull after pull on the street and trying to monitor the truck. Yes there are track days but lots of people dont tune just on track days. There is no way you can get a full tune in 5 pulls down the track.

A chassis dyno or an engine dyno is also a great tool. Nolan himself told me he can hit sections of the tune with the controlled environment of the engine dyno you would never get on the street. Why would I question that? He’s proven to be one of the best tuners around.

I agree with the statement "you’re going to care about your truck more than anyone else" TRUE %100
It really does not come down to caring. It comes down to good tune vs bad tune.

How about you pay the money for a professional tune. Drive the truck all summer, and maybe modify the tune from there if you think you can do better. You can always back up the original tune if you make things worse, at the same time learning the truck. Sounds like fun to me.

Yes, the power to tune your own truck is one of the best things you can do for yourself. Most new owners don’t have much experience tuning. Tuning is not just playing with a fuel table. If you’re a tuner I don’t need to explain that to you. Yes, you can learn. But dedicate an entire year only learning to tune. That means most of the time you will be driving around figuring things out. Not drag racing, not auto crossing. Not having fun with the truck and being down most of the time. Then tell the guy with the mustang you cant race because you are still working on a tune. :(

There are a lot of guys on here that are great tuners and really know their way around code59. They might even lend a helping hand. I’m just laying out what my experience is.
Just speaking from a new guy stand point and trying to point them in the right direction.
I respect all opinions but Im going to speak out about why I have mine. :) Its all good <3
 
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sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

I agree with what is being said. But here are some points I would like to bring up respectfuly.

A tune that needs to change because of the season in my mind is "on the edge"
Why not tune the truck mildly and enjoy the truck all year round worry free? I agree you will gain performance changing the tune to changing conditions.
A 9 second truck will always need tweaking to get the most out of it. Is that everyone’s goal?
If you had a good tune and all of a sudden you see some KR. Maybe there is another problem other than the tune? Maybe instead of trying to run that 4 extra degrees of timing all the time; dial it back so you don’t ever see the KR. Based off conditions. Same thing applies to boost.
In your mind a tune might be on the edge but in reality, every tune can be vastly affected by seasonal conditions. If you think for a moment that IAT/humidity/barometric pressure changes affect only those pushing the limit of their tune, then you're mistaken. I say this as a SyTy tuner of 12 years with over 60 SyTys under my belt. I'm not guessing that these factors affect tunes....I know they do.
I will agree a street tune is the best tune. But how unsafe is it doing pull after pull on the street and trying to monitor the truck. Yes there are track days but lots of people dont tune just on track days. There is no way you can get a full tune in 5 pulls down the track.

A chassis dyno or an engine dyno is also a great tool. Nolan himself told me he can hit sections of the tune with the controlled environment of the engine dyno you would never get on the street. Why would I question that? He’s proven to be one of the best tuners around.
No one is asking you to question Nolan. I've known Nolan for many years and trust him as much as anyone to tune a SyTy. But understand that chassis dynos are not a feasible option for everyone, however, no one is saying you have to put yourself and everyone else in danger by driving like a fool on the street. I tune all the time on the street. Put laptop in truck, set it to record, and review the log when I get home/work. Drive it like normal and if the opportunity arises to go WOT, I do so.....safely. And you act as though part throttle and idle never need tuning....things that can be tuned safely and easily.
I agree with the statement "you’re going to care about your truck more than anyone else" TRUE %100
It really does not come down to caring. It comes down to good tune vs bad tune.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Any tuner knows this. Caring how a truck runs year round leads to good tunes. A 30 minute dyno session doesn't often lend itself to this level of care. Tuning for yourself and wanting to see every area of the tune approach 100% does.
How about you pay the money for a professional tune. Drive the truck all summer, and maybe modify the tune from there if you think you can do better. You can always back up the original tune if you make things worse, at the same time learning the truck. Sounds like fun to me.
You act as though tuning a truck is like building a house from scratch. It's not. Most tunes you find for your build (esp. from the code59 DB or from us code59 tuners) will be very close. Think of it like repainting a house instead. Thinking that a truck with a PT67, 422 cam, and 60# injectors is gonna have to start with a stock bin to tune from is just plain wrong. Grab a bin of like tune from the DB and tweak to your specific truck/location/condition.
Yes, the power to tune your own truck is one of the best things you can do for yourself. Most new owners don’t have much experience tuning. Tuning is not just playing with a fuel table. If you’re a tuner I don’t need to explain that to you. Yes, you can learn. But dedicate an entire year only learning to tune. That means most of the time you will be driving around figuring things out. Not drag racing, not auto crossing. Not having fun with the truck and being down most of the time. Then tell the guy with the mustang you cant race because you are still working on a tune. :(
That's just bad info. Thinking that a truck has to be grounded from fun/racing during the tuning phase and that it requires a year to learn to tune is....I'm sorry..... asinine. Tuning is a work in progress and large amounts of tuning feedback comes from racing and playing with the truck. But do it conservatively and work up. Don't run to the dragstrip with a tune that commands 24 deg advance on a 12.0 AFR on pump gas and expect it not to detonate. Start with 16 deg advance on a 10.5 AFR and work up. That's just common sense and doesn't require the truck to sit on the sidelines while the tuned trucks have fun.
There are a lot of guys on here that are great tuners and really know their way around code59. They might even lend a helping hand. I’m just laying out what my experience is.
Just speaking from a new guy stand point and trying to point them in the right direction.
I respect all opinions but Im going to speak out about why I have mine. :) Its all good <3
I respect that, but realize that I to am speaking from my experience, a longtime tuner and advocate for self-tuning. There will always be those that tune for themselves and those that pay others to do so. That's not unique to SyTys. I personally feel that tuning for yourself reaps greater rewards, provides the ability to datalog/modify the tune, gives insight to the truck/tune that you can't get otherwise, and gives a tremendous sense of accomplishment. But to each their own....
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

lm all ready! I wont need a retune with my set up. I can be pig rich at 40 psi base fuel preasure with my -10 to -8 fuel lines.. 60lb injectors. And this was with q16 which requires alot more fuel. Im hopping the e98 will help even my tune back out.:D
Im also researching the idea of removing the intercooler and spraying meth before and after the turbo. Tons of GN people are doing this with great succes! This should help me spool quicker and gain the 2 /3 psi back lost with the intercooler. Still not totally sold on the idea..


Just curious as to what Nolan suggest for your A/F ratio to be when running Q16?

Seen some of your vids & the A/F ratio has been as rich as 10.0

I talked w/Julio & he does not suggest running a spray nozzle befor the compressor wheel.

I have not seen any much talk about running a meth nozzle before the compressor wheel w/great success on http://www.turbobuick.com/messagebd/. Maybe on a different forum?
 

SYCLONE#1531

'MOFOFAST
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

Thats whats got me scared of spraying before the compressor wheel. Ive heard dissaster can occur. I forget which buick forum I saw this on. Coolingmist also recomended not doing it! Probally gonna skip the hole idea of the methanol and just run the e98 only.

My truck seem to run its best times in the high 11 to 12.5 afr range on the Q16. I was playing around with my fp settings on my last videos. Truck seems to be real sensitive to base FP settings with the larger pump and fuel lines. Its been a real trial and error for me. Originally I was told to shoot for 11 to 11.5 on C16. The q seems to like leaner afrs.

Qbnkiller (Alex ) suggested me shoot for the 11.2 gas range on the e98 ethanol.




lm all ready! I wont need a retune with my set up. I can be pig rich at 40 psi base fuel preasure with my -10 to -8 fuel lines.. 60lb injectors. And this was with q16 which requires alot more fuel. Im hopping the e98 will help even my tune back out.:D
Im also researching the idea of removing the intercooler and spraying meth before and after the turbo. Tons of GN people are doing this with great succes! This should help me spool quicker and gain the 2 /3 psi back lost with the intercooler. Still not totally sold on the idea..


Just curious as to what Nolan suggest for your A/F ratio to be when running Q16?

Seen some of your vids & the A/F ratio has been as rich as 10.0

I talked w/Julio & he does not suggest running a spray nozzle befor the compressor wheel.

I have not seen any much talk about running a meth nozzle before the compressor wheel w/great success on http://www.turbobuick.com/messagebd/. Maybe on a different forum?
 
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I don't want to high jack this thread. Well spoken. I can not say I have tuned 60 sytys. I still think you may have forgotten what its like to not have 60 syty's under your belt. What may seem easy to you and I is not so easy for a beginner. I agree with what you are saying and some I dont. SYCLONE#1531 sure seems happy with his tune. Wonder why?
I have a lot of other comments to make but its more debating. PM me if you want to chat.
 
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RAR1TY

New member
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SyTyGuy!!!!!! Great write up.....Ok guys, This thread has finally got my head spun about tuning.:roll: I got my first TY about 2 months ago. I am slowly doing all the things to my TY i believe will help it run strong and SAFE, because i believe in a safe build before mashing the gas and it go boom. But i hear SO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS that im dizzy. Im an Auto Body guy for life and can toss the wrench around, BUT the tuning thing is my weakness as im not very up on all the terminology, codes and parameters involved. So far ive done a full tune up (plugs,wires,cap,rotor,fluid changes and flush), RPM Intake kit, vac line kit and EGR delete, Walbro FP, Hotwire Kit, AFPR, Bilstein shocks and Belltech leafs and TurboTweak chip. I am ordering CatBack from RPM next and High flow cat, and after the new year ill be looking into Downpipe, Alky kit, front propshaft and rebuilding the turbo....

I want a SAFE,12 second,reliable truck. I ALSO want to learn how to tune it MYSELF because im plenty smart enough, and i think its important to know. BUT WHERE do i start? Ive read sooooooo much stuff and it just makes my head hurt. I sent the chip back to Eric at TurboTweak to make it 3 bar for future upgrade possibiity, and to read the strange logs i pulled that made NO sense to me really. Isnt there a scan TOOL for dummys or something i can buy that can simplify the tuning process for me? I know a few tuners in my area, but the tune Mustangs and Vettes and Civics and stuff. NOT TYPHOONS, and I know these trucks are different/unique/special and need the right "brainpower". I have had some good help from some members here already and i thank them so much for that, and to all the members on this site. Without you all, i would have never bought a TY, because im an old school guy and all my cars have been older and non-computer run. So i ask...... Am i doing the right things to my TY?

Im all ears!!!
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

I don't want to high jack this thread. Well spoken. I can not say I have tuned 60 sytys. I still think you may have forgotten what its like to not have 60 syty's under your belt. What may seem easy to you and I is not so easy for a beginner. I agree with what you are saying and some I dont.
I have a lot of other comments to make but whats the point right now. PM me if you want to chat.
Keep it open. We're being civil and others may find beneficial info from it.

If you're saying I need to remember what it's like to be a beginner again, save it. I spend 4-5 hours a week helping SyTy owners tune (usually TP5RT with Moates hardware) and am constantly forced to think like a beginner to assist them. I completely appreciate the daunting appearance of tuning. That's the exact point....in order for tuners to show the non-tuners how easy it is to tune and help coach them, we are forced to realize just how green some owners may be and revert back to a introductory level of thinking. But it's not like tuners are rocket scientists and non-tuners are kindergarteners......in fact, the gap between us is not all that large and a non-tuner can be experienced in no time with the right approach and dedication. That's the beauty of the software and hardware we have now....it takes a lot of the difficulty out. Now back in the days when we were editing hex and covering uv erasers with a box to save our eyes....there might have been a larger gap....but not now.
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: more boost, fuel etc.

SyTyGuy!!!!!! Great write up.....Ok guys, This thread has finally got my head spun about tuning.:roll: I got my first TY about 2 months ago. I am slowly doing all the things to my TY i believe will help it run strong and SAFE, because i believe in a safe build before mashing the gas and it go boom. But i hear SO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS that im dizzy. Im an Auto Body guy for life and can toss the wrench around, BUT the tuning thing is my weakness as im not very up on all the terminology, codes and parameters involved. So far ive done a full tune up (plugs,wires,cap,rotor,fluid changes and flush), RPM Intake kit, vac line kit and EGR delete, Walbro FP, Hotwire Kit, AFPR, Bilstein shocks and Belltech leafs and TurboTweak chip. I am ordering CatBack from RPM next and High flow cat, and after the new year ill be looking into Downpipe, Alky kit, front propshaft and rebuilding the turbo....

I want a SAFE,12 second,reliable truck. I ALSO want to learn how to tune it MYSELF because im plenty smart enough, and i think its important to know. BUT WHERE do i start? Ive read sooooooo much stuff and it just makes my head hurt. I sent the chip back to Eric at TurboTweak to make it 3 bar for future upgrade possibiity, and to read the strange logs i pulled that made NO sense to me really. Isnt there a scan TOOL for dummys or something i can buy that can simplify the tuning process for me? I know a few tuners in my area, but the tune Mustangs and Vettes and Civics and stuff. NOT TYPHOONS, and I know these trucks are different/unique/special and need the right "brainpower". I have had some good help from some members here already and i thank them so much for that, and to all the members on this site. Without you all, i would have never bought a TY, because im an old school guy and all my cars have been older and non-computer run. So i ask...... Am i doing the right things to my TY?

Im all ears!!!
You have a very solid foundation for which to begin tuning. The hardware that is recommended for tuning for yourself is:

- Emulator (Moates Ostrich 2.0 is most popular)
- ALDL Cable (USB style is most compatible with todays laptops)
- Laptop with Tunerpro RT (v5 is latest)
- Wideband O2 wired into ECM (*)

* not required to tune/datalog but a tremendous help in getting a solid tune

Total cost for equipment - $275-$475 (w/o WB - with WB) if you already have a capable laptop. From there, just hook up the equipment, grab the xdf and adx from code59.org and a starter bin and you're off. Play with idle and part throttle to get an understanding of how changes work and what they affect. From there, work on a conservative WOT tuning before going "whole hog". Holler if you need help. :tup:
 
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