1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
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Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
TY0618, definitely let me know when/where. I would love to come out and meet some of you guys.
Progress has been more mental then physical on the new build. I've got some goals set for this summer, and spring is just around the corner so hopefully work will resume soon.
I got heavily sidetracked this winter and got the "I need a new daily" bug and sold my 2000 blazer and bought an '82 C20
Southern truck, dana 60, 14 bolt, detroit full case lockers, cummins 12 valve, and some other stuff
I got boned on the truck big time. The seller advertised it as a fresh rebuild, and I could see some work had been done but I came to quickly find out it was a lemon. The 12 valves was freshened up by a hack to say the least. By the time I got it home the motor needed a complete rebuild. Head gasket was blown, causing the rad to overpressure and empty itself in about 50 km's. Also the rings were fried from being severely overheated many times, it burned about 6 quarts of oil every 150 miles.
Some pics of the rebuild,
cut the block 12 thou
where the head-gasket blew,
some "fresh" bearings
head gasket was also blown between 4 of the 6 cylinders,
resurfaced exhaust manifold,
when we started rebuilding the head we quickly realized a new head was in order, it was cracked in 20+ places from being severely overheated
block was lined honed,
crank and cam polished, talk about some rotating inertia,
new bearings and head bolts,
new rings, pistons were cut 5" thou to achieve cummins piston protrusion spec, believe it was 35" thou,
shortblock together,
new head,
genuine cummins head, comes with the mill shavings and all....
disassembled and resurfaced,
after casting they usually machine it right away and as it ages they will sometimes potato chip a little bit. This one was only about 3-4 thou but the fellow helping me with the rebuild said it would only take about 15 mins to resurface and that we might as well,
he also reground the valve seats as he didn't think they were all that great from the factory,
back together and ready to drop in,
back in and running, sounded a hell of a lot better then,
After sorting out some other issues the truck had, I realized I just really didn't like it. After getting screwed over and spending a lot more money & time on it then I had ever planned I just had no desire to work on it or even drive it. So I put it up for sale.
Ended up trading it for an '04 Colorado Crew Z71 4WD. I couldn't be happier with the trade.
had to do a few small things, rear axle seals, alignment, replace a tire and a light bulb here and there but overall it's a real solid daily.
the previous owner had cut off the muffler and had a single resonator that dumped under the bed, way to much drone for a daily. Put on a walked quiet flow,
The BFG Mud terrains are incredible tires in the deep snow but they definitely have a bit more road noise then I liked. So the first thing I did was place an order with SecondSkin and started sound deadening the interior. 37 sq ft of damplifier pro and 100 sq ft of Luxury Liner pro,
stripped the interior,
got about 50%-75% coverage with the damplifier pro,
about 80% coverage on the doors with DP and nearly 100% with the LLP
100% on the roof,
100% on the floor and then a second layer of about 50% (had 2 sheets left-over)
back wall,
did almost all of the panels as well,
I took some dB readings before and after. When I replaced the muffler these were the readings,
Idle
85 db before
78 db after
50km/h
89 before
82 after
80 km/h
92 before
90 after
120 km/h
95 before
94 after
After replacing the muffler and doing the sound deadening I took before and afters as well.
Idle
78 db before
62 db after
50km/h
82 before
76 after
80 km/h
90 before
83 after
120 km/h
94 before
87 after
I was very pleased to get a 23 dB drop at idle by doing the muffler and deadening. It made a huge difference in ride quality. I've got a few things left to do that may drop a few more dB. If I ever get rid of the mud terrains in favour of something geared towards highway driving I can almost guarantee it would be in the mid 70 dBs at 120. Just ordered 4 Infinity kappa 6.5's and a Infinity four amp.
Anyway, that's what I've been up to. Looking forward to getting back to work on the '84 and hitting the track again this summer.
TY0618, definitely let me know when/where. I would love to come out and meet some of you guys.
Progress has been more mental then physical on the new build. I've got some goals set for this summer, and spring is just around the corner so hopefully work will resume soon.
I got heavily sidetracked this winter and got the "I need a new daily" bug and sold my 2000 blazer and bought an '82 C20
Southern truck, dana 60, 14 bolt, detroit full case lockers, cummins 12 valve, and some other stuff
I got boned on the truck big time. The seller advertised it as a fresh rebuild, and I could see some work had been done but I came to quickly find out it was a lemon. The 12 valves was freshened up by a hack to say the least. By the time I got it home the motor needed a complete rebuild. Head gasket was blown, causing the rad to overpressure and empty itself in about 50 km's. Also the rings were fried from being severely overheated many times, it burned about 6 quarts of oil every 150 miles.
Some pics of the rebuild,
cut the block 12 thou
where the head-gasket blew,
some "fresh" bearings
head gasket was also blown between 4 of the 6 cylinders,
resurfaced exhaust manifold,
when we started rebuilding the head we quickly realized a new head was in order, it was cracked in 20+ places from being severely overheated
block was lined honed,
crank and cam polished, talk about some rotating inertia,
new bearings and head bolts,
new rings, pistons were cut 5" thou to achieve cummins piston protrusion spec, believe it was 35" thou,
shortblock together,
new head,
genuine cummins head, comes with the mill shavings and all....
disassembled and resurfaced,
after casting they usually machine it right away and as it ages they will sometimes potato chip a little bit. This one was only about 3-4 thou but the fellow helping me with the rebuild said it would only take about 15 mins to resurface and that we might as well,
he also reground the valve seats as he didn't think they were all that great from the factory,
back together and ready to drop in,
back in and running, sounded a hell of a lot better then,
After sorting out some other issues the truck had, I realized I just really didn't like it. After getting screwed over and spending a lot more money & time on it then I had ever planned I just had no desire to work on it or even drive it. So I put it up for sale.
Ended up trading it for an '04 Colorado Crew Z71 4WD. I couldn't be happier with the trade.
had to do a few small things, rear axle seals, alignment, replace a tire and a light bulb here and there but overall it's a real solid daily.
the previous owner had cut off the muffler and had a single resonator that dumped under the bed, way to much drone for a daily. Put on a walked quiet flow,
The BFG Mud terrains are incredible tires in the deep snow but they definitely have a bit more road noise then I liked. So the first thing I did was place an order with SecondSkin and started sound deadening the interior. 37 sq ft of damplifier pro and 100 sq ft of Luxury Liner pro,
stripped the interior,
got about 50%-75% coverage with the damplifier pro,
about 80% coverage on the doors with DP and nearly 100% with the LLP
100% on the roof,
100% on the floor and then a second layer of about 50% (had 2 sheets left-over)
back wall,
did almost all of the panels as well,
I took some dB readings before and after. When I replaced the muffler these were the readings,
Idle
85 db before
78 db after
50km/h
89 before
82 after
80 km/h
92 before
90 after
120 km/h
95 before
94 after
After replacing the muffler and doing the sound deadening I took before and afters as well.
Idle
78 db before
62 db after
50km/h
82 before
76 after
80 km/h
90 before
83 after
120 km/h
94 before
87 after
I was very pleased to get a 23 dB drop at idle by doing the muffler and deadening. It made a huge difference in ride quality. I've got a few things left to do that may drop a few more dB. If I ever get rid of the mud terrains in favour of something geared towards highway driving I can almost guarantee it would be in the mid 70 dBs at 120. Just ordered 4 Infinity kappa 6.5's and a Infinity four amp.
Anyway, that's what I've been up to. Looking forward to getting back to work on the '84 and hitting the track again this summer.
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Quickstop [UK]
Combating adversyty.
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
Mate, you take some awesome pictures and sure know your way around a truck! I enjoyed reading that a great deal and I shall look forward to more updates on the 84 project.
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Mate, you take some awesome pictures and sure know your way around a truck! I enjoyed reading that a great deal and I shall look forward to more updates on the 84 project.
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Andrew S
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Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
^ Thanks, I used to be into photography quite a bit, seems I take more pics of the project then anything else nowadays.
Progress has been very slow to none at all in the last few months. I just finished finals however and am back to work now so I can start purchasing some more parts in the near future.
I've been driving the '84 a lot the last month or so. Gas prices are crazy now, if I go out for a 2-3 hour spirited drive it's an easy $40 in gas.
Picked up a pair of R1's to replace the two chewed up front tires. These were lightly used in the petit lemans series. Lots of tread left and at $30 a tire I couldn't be happier. Having these on the front and sports on the rear should balance out the truck a lot better.
Spent the last week or so using up the sports,
Can't wait until it's awd doing the above,
The plan is to get the front suspension together so atleast I can roll the frame around and then start out on the rear and saving for the power plant.
I've got some delrin and stainless to make up some bushings for the sport machine lower arms hoping to get that done in the next week or so. The next thing to tackle was the balljoints. One thing that I've been playing around with is my lower balljoints. The SC&C C5/6 spindles came with these Howe Modular ball joints and I would really rather use them over the stock s-series. The problem is the Sport machine lower control arms are made to accept a bolt on style ball joint and the howe ball joint is press fit.
The plan is to weld in a threaded ball joint sleeve and change out the press in style ball joint case with threaded ball joint cases.
^ Thanks, I used to be into photography quite a bit, seems I take more pics of the project then anything else nowadays.
Progress has been very slow to none at all in the last few months. I just finished finals however and am back to work now so I can start purchasing some more parts in the near future.
I've been driving the '84 a lot the last month or so. Gas prices are crazy now, if I go out for a 2-3 hour spirited drive it's an easy $40 in gas.
Picked up a pair of R1's to replace the two chewed up front tires. These were lightly used in the petit lemans series. Lots of tread left and at $30 a tire I couldn't be happier. Having these on the front and sports on the rear should balance out the truck a lot better.
Spent the last week or so using up the sports,
Can't wait until it's awd doing the above,
The plan is to get the front suspension together so atleast I can roll the frame around and then start out on the rear and saving for the power plant.
I've got some delrin and stainless to make up some bushings for the sport machine lower arms hoping to get that done in the next week or so. The next thing to tackle was the balljoints. One thing that I've been playing around with is my lower balljoints. The SC&C C5/6 spindles came with these Howe Modular ball joints and I would really rather use them over the stock s-series. The problem is the Sport machine lower control arms are made to accept a bolt on style ball joint and the howe ball joint is press fit.
The plan is to weld in a threaded ball joint sleeve and change out the press in style ball joint case with threaded ball joint cases.
Gbodydriver
Member
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
Sweet build!! Truck looks and aounds good.. Cant wait to see it done..
PS.. I liked the 12v Chevy....
Sweet build!! Truck looks and aounds good.. Cant wait to see it done..
PS.. I liked the 12v Chevy....
Andrew S
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Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
Thanks for the good words guys.
Gbodydriver, I really liked it too, until everything went down the way it did. Every time I see an old FS I catch myself thinking about that truck. Oh well, live and learn.
This should be a half decent update, quite a bit has happened in the last few months.
first off the big change,
We moved,
Also picked up another shepherd, Queen Victoria, Tori for short,
got the R1's mounted on the front,
Inspired by the move, I decided to just go for it and went the direction I wanted to go originally on the rear end,
C5/C6,
Been driving the '84 a lot more this year,
Here is the new place, moving day,
3rd or 4th time my dads Boss has seen the light of day in 25+ years,
The new place is great, this being one of the reasons it's especially great. 30'x60' shop,
It currently is electric heat, but we are going to be hooking it up with some radiant tube propane heaters. It's fully finished inside with a washroom, mezzanine, insulation, the whole nine yards.
It had a garage door at one time, so we ordered a new 10x10 and got it up first thing,
The previous owner had put down 7/16 tongue and groove particle board, that we removed,
mezzanine in the back,
great little storage spot,
Tori is getting a little larger,
haven't had a chance to get to one of the track days yet but the R1's are very impressive over the sports,
The shop was a dumping grounds when we moved as we only had 3 days to get everything over there. This is what it looked like when we first moved in,
after a lot of hard work we started to get it cleaned up a bit,
All of the dogs are loving the new place,
After about a month we got the shop cleaned up enough it could finally be worked in,
picked up an adjustable proportioning valve for the '84,
Colorado doesn't like weight,
washed it for the first time in a long time,
Took a min and stripped down the rear end. I was pleasantly surprised with how light it is.
by comparison, a 4wd s10 upper, lower and spindle,
I was guessing to go from a stick axle to irs I would be picking up at least 200 lbs, but it looks like I was a little ways off.
Now it's time to chop off the back half again and get a frame table together and get this thing into rolling form.
Thanks for the good words guys.
Gbodydriver, I really liked it too, until everything went down the way it did. Every time I see an old FS I catch myself thinking about that truck. Oh well, live and learn.
This should be a half decent update, quite a bit has happened in the last few months.
first off the big change,
We moved,
Also picked up another shepherd, Queen Victoria, Tori for short,
got the R1's mounted on the front,
Inspired by the move, I decided to just go for it and went the direction I wanted to go originally on the rear end,
C5/C6,
Been driving the '84 a lot more this year,
Here is the new place, moving day,
3rd or 4th time my dads Boss has seen the light of day in 25+ years,
The new place is great, this being one of the reasons it's especially great. 30'x60' shop,
It currently is electric heat, but we are going to be hooking it up with some radiant tube propane heaters. It's fully finished inside with a washroom, mezzanine, insulation, the whole nine yards.
It had a garage door at one time, so we ordered a new 10x10 and got it up first thing,
The previous owner had put down 7/16 tongue and groove particle board, that we removed,
mezzanine in the back,
great little storage spot,
Tori is getting a little larger,
haven't had a chance to get to one of the track days yet but the R1's are very impressive over the sports,
The shop was a dumping grounds when we moved as we only had 3 days to get everything over there. This is what it looked like when we first moved in,
after a lot of hard work we started to get it cleaned up a bit,
All of the dogs are loving the new place,
After about a month we got the shop cleaned up enough it could finally be worked in,
picked up an adjustable proportioning valve for the '84,
Colorado doesn't like weight,
washed it for the first time in a long time,
Took a min and stripped down the rear end. I was pleasantly surprised with how light it is.
by comparison, a 4wd s10 upper, lower and spindle,
I was guessing to go from a stick axle to irs I would be picking up at least 200 lbs, but it looks like I was a little ways off.
Now it's time to chop off the back half again and get a frame table together and get this thing into rolling form.
Blazerspeed
New member
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
Hell yeah man! First and foremost, congrats on the new place with awesome garage, and new pup as well. :tup:
I'm very interested to see how you tackle the C5 rear install It's going to be a decent amount of fab work there. Any particular reason you went C5 over C4? If you don't mind me asking, how are you going to address the difference in width? Narrow the rear, or wider quarters?
Hell yeah man! First and foremost, congrats on the new place with awesome garage, and new pup as well. :tup:
I'm very interested to see how you tackle the C5 rear install It's going to be a decent amount of fab work there. Any particular reason you went C5 over C4? If you don't mind me asking, how are you going to address the difference in width? Narrow the rear, or wider quarters?
Andrew S
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Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
^ Thanks,
I opted for the C5 over C4 for a couple of reason. They would both be very involved the C4 may have been slightly easier. To simply put it, I like the C5 components more and they are becoming more and more affordable. I'm going to be running coil - overs, so the cv is easier for packaging. I won't be running a transaxle, so the rear diff is going to be a custom mount both ways. I'll be narrowing the rear. I don't like that it's cast, but I'm going to have it professionally tigged and it will be braced quite heavily so that the cradle itself adds no real structure. It probably makes more sense to just use the a-arms and ditch the cradle all together. I've got a bit of ugly baby syndrome going on right now.
^ Thanks,
I opted for the C5 over C4 for a couple of reason. They would both be very involved the C4 may have been slightly easier. To simply put it, I like the C5 components more and they are becoming more and more affordable. I'm going to be running coil - overs, so the cv is easier for packaging. I won't be running a transaxle, so the rear diff is going to be a custom mount both ways. I'll be narrowing the rear. I don't like that it's cast, but I'm going to have it professionally tigged and it will be braced quite heavily so that the cradle itself adds no real structure. It probably makes more sense to just use the a-arms and ditch the cradle all together. I've got a bit of ugly baby syndrome going on right now.
Quickstop [UK]
Combating adversyty.
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
Looks awesome man. All that space is amazing - you're so fortunate. I need to get off this rock and head somewhere.
Can't wait to see your progress.
:tup:
Looks awesome man. All that space is amazing - you're so fortunate. I need to get off this rock and head somewhere.
Can't wait to see your progress.
:tup:
Andrew S
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Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
^Thanks, the space really is such a nice thing to have. To go from a 1 car garage you couldn't even open the toolbox drawers all the way without hitting the vehicle you were working onto this really makes me appreciate what we have here.
Between work and getting things organized at the new place I haven't gotten much done. A little bit of progress nonetheless,
cut the old backyard back-half off,
made a couple things for the shop,
Between this weekend and last I started on my frame table,
3x3 1/4",
my dad made up some plates for the legs, and I picked up some 3/4" bolts to level the table out,
need to get another length of tubing this week to start on the cross members for the front and rear suspension,
Now that the table is near completion I can start on the front end. Got everything laid out and started drawing up some plans for my lower and upper control arm bushings. After that it's onto the lower balljoints and then everything will just fall into place and onto the rear end,
lastly I mounted up the zx3r 10.5's 0n the rear of the '84 and what a difference over the 8" rims. The tail end used to slide all over the place but now it's a lot more balanced,
^Thanks, the space really is such a nice thing to have. To go from a 1 car garage you couldn't even open the toolbox drawers all the way without hitting the vehicle you were working onto this really makes me appreciate what we have here.
Between work and getting things organized at the new place I haven't gotten much done. A little bit of progress nonetheless,
cut the old backyard back-half off,
made a couple things for the shop,
Between this weekend and last I started on my frame table,
3x3 1/4",
my dad made up some plates for the legs, and I picked up some 3/4" bolts to level the table out,
need to get another length of tubing this week to start on the cross members for the front and rear suspension,
Now that the table is near completion I can start on the front end. Got everything laid out and started drawing up some plans for my lower and upper control arm bushings. After that it's onto the lower balljoints and then everything will just fall into place and onto the rear end,
lastly I mounted up the zx3r 10.5's 0n the rear of the '84 and what a difference over the 8" rims. The tail end used to slide all over the place but now it's a lot more balanced,
Andrew S
New member
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
Picked up another length of tubing. Just need to get some 3 x 1/4" bar now and I can make up the front and rear cross-members for the table.
Spent a few minutes drawing up how I want to do the upper control arm bushings. Also ordered the lower ball joint pockets and screw in cases.
Picked up another length of tubing. Just need to get some 3 x 1/4" bar now and I can make up the front and rear cross-members for the table.
Spent a few minutes drawing up how I want to do the upper control arm bushings. Also ordered the lower ball joint pockets and screw in cases.
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Andrew S
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Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
I've been very slowly picking away at this but here is a bit of progress.
howe modular xd balljoint screw in cases and balljoint pockets,
got the hood of the '84 painted finally,
and modified the control arms,
next up is the control arm bushings and shock tower relocation,
I've been very slowly picking away at this but here is a bit of progress.
howe modular xd balljoint screw in cases and balljoint pockets,
got the hood of the '84 painted finally,
and modified the control arms,
next up is the control arm bushings and shock tower relocation,
Quickstop [UK]
Combating adversyty.
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
When done, encase that truck in pure resin and preserve it forever. It's a work of art.
:tup:
When done, encase that truck in pure resin and preserve it forever. It's a work of art.
:tup:
alwayscode390
pppssssshhhhhtttttttttttt
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
WOW, you are dedicated to all of your vehicles.
You need to get on that Mustang with your Dad!!! ---
WOW, you are dedicated to all of your vehicles.
You need to get on that Mustang with your Dad!!!
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Quickstop [UK]
Combating adversyty.
Re: 1984 S10, an ongoing evolution
You also need to update this thread!
You also need to update this thread!
