4L80e Converter

[Crimson93Ty]

Re: 4L80e Converter

JC Whitney. $16.
What's an email I can send some stuff to for you?
I've got some pictures and stuff that you'll probably need.

 

[Silverback]

Re: 4L80e Converter

The email in my profile (click on my name to the left of one of my posts and it should give you an option to email me) or the one that I emailed you from earlier in the week (or was it last week... they're all running together) are fine. Thanks

 

[Silverback]

Re: 4L80e Converter

Yes, we have worked with a major company to develop a convertor just for this application.
…
When you invest months developing and testing something, and thousands in development, tooling, etc I have a need to recover those costs in time/$$.

So what? You’re playing hard to get?

Do people actually buy parts from you not knowing _anything_ about them? No stall speed, converter design, clutch design/style, price… OK, fine, yea, sorry, I guess that’s unreasonable for a potential customer to know, how about what color you paint them? Do I get a sticker so I can tell the world where I got it even if I can’t tell them what it was that I got?

“heh, cool swap… you don’t see those swapped into many cars”
“yea, it was a bit of a hassle but worth it”
“what converter you running”
“donno, it came in a brown box with no labels or anything. I’ve been wondering what the stall speed is… As a matter of fact I need to check my credit card bill, I have no idea what it cost either…”
“Oh..”

OTOH, forget it…

 

[JSM]

Re: 4L80e Converter

If you WERE a customer, and didn't trust my judgement on the parts being selected, and being I have been around the syty world since 98 then I would not expect you to order a convertor from me nor would I expect you to. There are other alternatives as you have found. This is a free market.

 

[myclone]

Re: 4L80e Converter

So what? You’re playing hard to get?

He's not and to put it bluntly Jeff is an extremely nice fellow who has forgotten more than most of will ever know. I would hope you would treat him as such..

With that being said and since youre fairly new I suspect you dont know the saga of the way things work on this forum so the cliff notes are:

Bust your hump and spend your hard earned money as well as spend countless hours to bring something to the syty market that is needed/cool/whatever then someone either uses the info youve posted to have the same thing made without much if any expense or effort. Its happened numerous times and is going on as we speak.

Do people actually buy parts from you not knowing _anything_ about them?

LOL... yes it happens every day and continues to happen on here as well as about every other forum.

No stall speed, converter design, clutch design/style, price… OK, fine, yea, sorry, I guess that’s unreasonable for a potential customer to know, how about what color you paint them? Do I get a sticker so I can tell the world where I got it even if I can’t tell them what it was that I got?

If the 80E is something you decide to proceed with then any TC company that you purchase it from will work with you on obtaining the stall your after. The torque converter style is a given in that it will be a lock up high stall TC for a 80E and as far as clutch design that very well may be proprietary information which may not be available due to the reason(s) I stated above.

“heh, cool swap… you don’t see those swapped into many cars”
“yea, it was a bit of a hassle but worth it”
“what converter you running”
“donno, it came in a brown box with no labels or anything. I’ve been wondering what the stall speed is… As a matter of fact I need to check my credit card bill, I have no idea what it cost either…”
“Oh..”

OTOH, forget it…

See my first sentence and post accordingly.

Thank you.

 

[E-Rue]

Re: 4L80e Converter

So what? You’re playing hard to get?

Do people actually buy parts from you not knowing _anything_ about them? No stall speed, converter design, clutch design/style, price… OK, fine, yea, sorry, I guess that’s unreasonable for a potential customer to know, how about what color you paint them? Do I get a sticker so I can tell the world where I got it even if I can’t tell them what it was that I got?

“heh, cool swap… you don’t see those swapped into many cars”
“yea, it was a bit of a hassle but worth it”
“what converter you running”
“donno, it came in a brown box with no labels or anything. I’ve been wondering what the stall speed is… As a matter of fact I need to check my credit card bill, I have no idea what it cost either…”
“Oh..”

OTOH, forget it…

you make a valid point, but jeff is really tired of getting burned, so we stopped sharing as much as we used to. heres the info about our converter.

our converter is designed to work with the 4l80e trans and the older style flexplate typical of a small block or 4.3 (converter has a custom front cover) its not your typical 4l80e converter. we worked to develope it this way so that people with our race motors can upgrade transmissions without swapping flexplates and losing the precision ballance typical of all our motor builds. the price of our converter is $1036.15 its roughly 10" in diameter. this is not an off the shelf converter, and as such each one is built using infomation about the vehiccle it will be installed in, as well as torque and HP curves you will have to provide from a dyno. (we have curves for our motors) you can get any stall you want, and so far every single converter has been very close to the way we ordered it. if you have doubts about my, or jeffs business practices then please do not buy from us. we strive to help people out in this small community, and have been around for quite a while. all you have to do is ask around. heres a link to the converter.

http://www.turbotime.us/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=1210000-1115245384

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[Silverback]

Re: 4L80e Converter

I’m back… the wife wanted me to build a new sideboard/buffet and some other stuff for our annual big Thanksgiving dinner plus the normal grilled bird and other BS that I do that tied me up the last couple of weeks. (I may get distracted again if the 2 post lift that I’m probably acquiring comes home soon…)

e-rue, I’m a bit confused here… you and jeff appear to be in different states and owners of (or at least involved with) different businesses but you list it as “our” converter.

Secondly, any hp (or more appropriately torque) ratings for the converter? How about the converter clutch, or for that matter, what style clutch it has?

 

[Tydriver]

Re: 4L80e Converter

e-rue, I’m a bit confused here… you and jeff appear to be in different states and owners of (or at least involved with) different businesses but you list it as “our” converter.

Since I will assume you are somewhat new to the community and dont realize whats going on here I will offer some OUTSIDE explanations and to give you background on some of what your questions are skirting.. SyTy Land is a small community.. Jeff owns JSManufacturing ( www.jsmanufacturing.com ) and as a result of the previously mentioned 'theivery of ideas and inventions' sells almost entirely through Eric @ Turbotime ( www.turbotime.us ). Without naming names, or pointing fingers at other vendors in the community there have been some blatant copying thats occured (Jeff has had parts/ideas copied and stolen and Eric has had his entire BUSINESS IDEA copied and stolen).. As a result, you sort of get burned out on offering up information to the community unless you are quite aware of who you are dealing with and understand their loyalties. Its a shitty position to be in, but people are here to do nothing more than copy other peoples ideas and profit without nothing more than minimal effort extended on their part. Jeff and Eric BOTH pioneered the 4L80e transmissions (for large scale sales/installation in our trucks) and hence the partnership that you are inquiring about dealing with the converter.

Secondly, any hp (or more appropriately torque) ratings for the converter? How about the converter clutch, or for that matter, what style clutch it has?

Any manufacturer that offers a guarantee on a HP/TQ rating on a converter I personally would avoid.. To be quite honest, we aren't really dealing with a 210hp Honda here.

IMO, I think that anyone that wants a guarantee on a race part is personally an idiot. <== Please dont be offended, its just my opinion..

If thats what it takes to make you happy, then by all means go with someone thats willing to quote out specific HP/TQ values and guarantees.. I know for a fact, that their isnt enough profit margin on the converter through Turbotime to warrant dealing with someone thats going to experience a failure and then come back quoting a specific HP/TQ rating saying "My car is below what you quoted for Hp/Tq and the converter still failed !!" Personally thats just a wrong approach, if you want a converter thats going to offer a specific warranty then I strongly suspect you had better search elsewhere for a converter with a published warranty.

On the flipside of that, If you want to deal with enthusiasts that have a hand in hand relationship with the manufacturer then I think you see the contact information for Turbotime listed above. I have known Jeff and Eric BOTH for well over 5 years, I can honestly tell you neither one of them has a cruel bone in their body, nor do they have the intent to rip you off.. If something DOES fail, both of them would make every REASONABLE effort possible to help you (lets understand here again, we are NOT dealing with a 210hp Honda and there are specific risks you need to accept as a result of dealing with race parts as well).. This I have witnessed PERSONALLY through the years and is one of the reasons I continue to do business with both of them and consider them both good friends.

In closing, I dont want to be a d!ck here, I hope you understand where this is coming from and hope that you are NOT offended by this. The reality is, its the old addage, "BURN ME ONCE, shame on you..BURN ME TWICE, shame on me ! " Basically meaning if you dont learn from your mistakes then its bound to repeat itself. If Eric was to post up where he gets the converters from or whats inside them, who's to say that everyone wouldnt just bypass him and deal with that manufacturer directly thus eliminating Turbotime's profit ??? Its a proven converter, its in a couple of trucks now with no complaints. These trucks are making decent HP/TQ. Is there a MONSTER 8sec truck out there with the converter yet, NO not that I am aware of.. Are there a couple of street driven trucks with alot of passes on them running this converter, DEFINITELY. Its also the same converter I plan on running on my build if/when I ever get the $$ and motivation to finish it.