Windedv6
Ty n 10s
Re: Another VICTIM of Waller performance
I usually stay out of this type of thread and am usually cordial and friendly to all on this board, but I am sick an tried of someone starting a lynching every six months or so with our vendors. If you don't like the way a vendor is handling your work, then take it up with them. I have been around the racing/car scene longer than some of you have been alive and folks, this is the way it is. I have waited months for things promised in weeks and have spent years on projects that would seem to only take months to do. I have put out dollars on what appeared to be good products or parts only to find out they were not useable or need to be fixed or modified.
I have sent dollars to ppl on this board and never heard from them again and not received the parts I have sent major dollars for half down on a billet crankshaft to a nationally known crank maker last January. Crank was on it's way, then wasn't, then lost, then not lost, but need some additional work, then promised another one. I still haven't received it.
We all have had different problems in the past with vendors and many of the past syty vendors that helped us are gone from the board today. Gone, because someone started a vindictive personal war against them. The majority of these vendors started into the syty business as a side line because no one else was out there to help us. This usually was not a main line business but was a reachout and help, personal endeavor. We as a BB of, wanting everything and wanting now personalities, would jump on anyone that tried to help us with a new experimential product or a service of sorts and cried out "I want one and I need help..", "how soon can I have it...", "can you do a group purchase to save us money", etc.
The very next step is that we overload the few people we have that has taken an interest in helping with our trucks and put them in a no-win position. Then we bitch an moan that we got screw because these "trying to help vendors" don't meet our expections.
I have been around this board, the "list" before it as well and having owned my first Ty since 1993. I have done the Kenny Bell, The ATR, The Guy Reffert, The Al Dunstan, The Brian Green, The Brian Hartman, The Jerry MCCoy, The PTE, The John Waller, The Mike Lee, The Jeff Scott, The George Blake, The Mike Renz and a fmany other syty vendors.
Everyone these vendors is a good person and everyone has/had excellant intentions to help us out even though there was never going to be enough business from our small group to ever make them enough dollars to be profitable in the long haul. Many ideas where experimental and didn't always work out.
I have also work directly with many of the main line auto/race vendors and several machine shops. They all have times when things work out good for everyone and they all have times when nothing goes right for us. This is the world of modifying, building, racing, expermenting, etc, etc. It is expected. Things break, ideas don't materialize, third party shops don't come through. Peoples lives change, etc. Things do not always work out for our little group that depands everything right and correct. We are just not big enough like the LS1 or the ford world. We only have the little circle that we have and without it we would not have anything. We would be left to do it ourselves, see the local dealer or seek someone that is inexperienced with our setups.
I do know this, every vendor that we lost other than maybe ATR and Kenny Bell we have driven off because we bitched about the little percentage of problems. What we lost was the big percentage of good that they brought to the group as well as them personally.
I still talk and seek help form the majority of our past vendors which have stay in touch as friends, always willing to help anyway they can. Most of them will never come back to the board because of the way we treated them when things don't work out.
I buy and sell a lot of parts outside of the board and quietly help and support many outside of the board and privately. I have chosen not to offer much help through the board because of the many years of seeing some of our strongest members offering a help that grows into trying to help more and more members, only to eventially becomeing a vendor and being run off by the very membership they tried to help.
We all want to go through life as if everything that goes wrong is someone else's problem. Come on guys suck it up and realize we are a small community that things are not always going to go as we demand. Our few vendors can only do so much and can not always control the time frames to have things done. It is that simple. Group purchases are put out there to usually see if there is enough demand to actually have a product or service be worthwhile. If it gets overloaded with demand then a vendor gets buried. We have seen it happen time and time again. Vendors don't control the demand, the materials, third party services, shipping costs etc. They can't predict their personal life changes form day to day.
I have no beef with anyone on here personally and am not going single out anyone in particular. This thread as just been the last of a long list of these kinds of vendor lynching threads and many of us are sick of it.
Work out your own problem, go to court if you don't like it, go beat the crap out of the vendor if that is your manly gig or place a one time "I have a problem with "x" vendor story" in the "problem with vendor forum". Or get out of the syty world and try your luck with some other auto/truck club where you have more options that suit your demands.
These trucks are appealing to look at and fun to drive, but the rest of what we experience, good, bad, or otherwise is a part of this syty world. If people can't except that and realize our few vendors are only doing what they can to help (which often times is not perfect), then go somewhere else or drive something that will make you happy.
Better yet, quit modifying your trucks beyond your capacity both mentally and affordability! Drive it stock, you will enjoy it more than setting in your garage and making you angry with the vendors!
John
I usually stay out of this type of thread and am usually cordial and friendly to all on this board, but I am sick an tried of someone starting a lynching every six months or so with our vendors. If you don't like the way a vendor is handling your work, then take it up with them. I have been around the racing/car scene longer than some of you have been alive and folks, this is the way it is. I have waited months for things promised in weeks and have spent years on projects that would seem to only take months to do. I have put out dollars on what appeared to be good products or parts only to find out they were not useable or need to be fixed or modified.
I have sent dollars to ppl on this board and never heard from them again and not received the parts I have sent major dollars for half down on a billet crankshaft to a nationally known crank maker last January. Crank was on it's way, then wasn't, then lost, then not lost, but need some additional work, then promised another one. I still haven't received it.
We all have had different problems in the past with vendors and many of the past syty vendors that helped us are gone from the board today. Gone, because someone started a vindictive personal war against them. The majority of these vendors started into the syty business as a side line because no one else was out there to help us. This usually was not a main line business but was a reachout and help, personal endeavor. We as a BB of, wanting everything and wanting now personalities, would jump on anyone that tried to help us with a new experimential product or a service of sorts and cried out "I want one and I need help..", "how soon can I have it...", "can you do a group purchase to save us money", etc.
The very next step is that we overload the few people we have that has taken an interest in helping with our trucks and put them in a no-win position. Then we bitch an moan that we got screw because these "trying to help vendors" don't meet our expections.
I have been around this board, the "list" before it as well and having owned my first Ty since 1993. I have done the Kenny Bell, The ATR, The Guy Reffert, The Al Dunstan, The Brian Green, The Brian Hartman, The Jerry MCCoy, The PTE, The John Waller, The Mike Lee, The Jeff Scott, The George Blake, The Mike Renz and a fmany other syty vendors.
Everyone these vendors is a good person and everyone has/had excellant intentions to help us out even though there was never going to be enough business from our small group to ever make them enough dollars to be profitable in the long haul. Many ideas where experimental and didn't always work out.
I have also work directly with many of the main line auto/race vendors and several machine shops. They all have times when things work out good for everyone and they all have times when nothing goes right for us. This is the world of modifying, building, racing, expermenting, etc, etc. It is expected. Things break, ideas don't materialize, third party shops don't come through. Peoples lives change, etc. Things do not always work out for our little group that depands everything right and correct. We are just not big enough like the LS1 or the ford world. We only have the little circle that we have and without it we would not have anything. We would be left to do it ourselves, see the local dealer or seek someone that is inexperienced with our setups.
I do know this, every vendor that we lost other than maybe ATR and Kenny Bell we have driven off because we bitched about the little percentage of problems. What we lost was the big percentage of good that they brought to the group as well as them personally.
I still talk and seek help form the majority of our past vendors which have stay in touch as friends, always willing to help anyway they can. Most of them will never come back to the board because of the way we treated them when things don't work out.
I buy and sell a lot of parts outside of the board and quietly help and support many outside of the board and privately. I have chosen not to offer much help through the board because of the many years of seeing some of our strongest members offering a help that grows into trying to help more and more members, only to eventially becomeing a vendor and being run off by the very membership they tried to help.
We all want to go through life as if everything that goes wrong is someone else's problem. Come on guys suck it up and realize we are a small community that things are not always going to go as we demand. Our few vendors can only do so much and can not always control the time frames to have things done. It is that simple. Group purchases are put out there to usually see if there is enough demand to actually have a product or service be worthwhile. If it gets overloaded with demand then a vendor gets buried. We have seen it happen time and time again. Vendors don't control the demand, the materials, third party services, shipping costs etc. They can't predict their personal life changes form day to day.
I have no beef with anyone on here personally and am not going single out anyone in particular. This thread as just been the last of a long list of these kinds of vendor lynching threads and many of us are sick of it.
Work out your own problem, go to court if you don't like it, go beat the crap out of the vendor if that is your manly gig or place a one time "I have a problem with "x" vendor story" in the "problem with vendor forum". Or get out of the syty world and try your luck with some other auto/truck club where you have more options that suit your demands.
These trucks are appealing to look at and fun to drive, but the rest of what we experience, good, bad, or otherwise is a part of this syty world. If people can't except that and realize our few vendors are only doing what they can to help (which often times is not perfect), then go somewhere else or drive something that will make you happy.
Better yet, quit modifying your trucks beyond your capacity both mentally and affordability! Drive it stock, you will enjoy it more than setting in your garage and making you angry with the vendors!
John
