HID head light conversion interest?

[Deanzsyclone]

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Sure matching for lights will be no problem to get.

Just making sure the fog lights uses a H3 bulb.

I guess that means your working on somthing? Let me know when it's done and how much the kit is, fog light and headlight.

 

[TURBOV6]

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I guess that means your working on somthing? Let me know when it's done and how much the kit is, fog light and headlight.

PM sent!

 

[Ground Rat]

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Before today I didn't know jack about HIDs, but after reading MUCH information on http://faqlight.carpassion.info/ and http://www.hidplanet.com/forums (and I'm still reading), retro fitted HID projectors are the only way I will run HIDs on my ty!

Anyone considering upgrading to HIDs should take a few minutes to read those pages. :tup:

BTW, I'm sure a quality HID kit would be better than the stock setup on our trucks.

 

[Syboy]

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Just to let you know the bi-xenon kit I am selling has a HID shield is simular to the one pictured in the top lamp MRKING posted.

From what I understand this shield is used for non projector lamps, hid and higher output halogens, this also prevent blinding other drivers. If you ever see a hid bulb without the shield it's bright as hell :lol:

Do you know which H3 HID kit will fit in the stock foglight housing?

From the back of the reflector with the digital calipers to lens I measure 1.625 and if I leave some space so the HID doesn't touch the lens I get 1.5625".

Looking some of the HID bulbs there maybe not enough space behind the reflector inside the housing. Do I drill a hole in foglight case? I would like to use the stock foglight bracket as it has aim screw for up and down.

What have other people done to install H3 HID in the foglight or have just change the bulbs?

 

[92boostedty]

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Do you know which H3 HID kit will fit in the stock foglight housing?

From the back of the reflector with the digital calipers to lens I measure 1.625 and if I leave some space so the HID doesn't touch the lens I get 1.5625".

Looking some of the HID bulbs there maybe not enough space behind the reflector inside the housing. Do I drill a hole in foglight case? I would like to use the stock foglight bracket as it has aim screw for up and down.

What have other people done to install H3 HID in the foglight or have just change the bulbs?

i was woundering this as well...i talked to someone and they said they havent found ones that were short enough yet

 

[Syboy]

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i was woundering this as well...i talked to someone and they said they havent found ones that were short enough yet

The HID H3 bulbs seem too long to fit either Blazer housing or the stock fog light housing without modification. Maybe someone here has or know of HID H3 bulb that is short enough to work inside the stock foglight housing.

For H3 HID bulb's length.

A: 36 mm filment
B: 25 mm dia of socket
C: 21 mm socket base length
D: 57 mm overall length

57mm would be too long to fit into the foglight housing. If you were to cut a hole in where the wires enter to fit the base then filment could into the lens housing but the base of socket would extend to foglight bracket. How would you make it water tight silicone?

 

[Syboy]

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i was woundering this as well...i talked to someone and they said they havent found ones that were short enough yet

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...90172320179&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

Look at this site the H3 HID bulb is shorter.

H3 HID Arc tube length 37mm
H3 HID base length 26mm
H3 HID overall length 63mm

The H3 HID arc tube may fit inside reflect housing but the overall length is too long to fit inside stock housing unless you drill a hole in housing then add some silicone but base will extend outside the foglight housing to the foglight bracket.

I am look at cheaper HID on ebay because it maybe necessary to modify to fit Blazer driving lamp or stock fog light housing. I doubt a manufacture will offer any warranty once you have drill hole in blazer housing and silicone the base to make it fit.

If I find a direct fit H3 HID for the stock foglight then I will pay more for that product.

 

[TURBOV6]

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Ok sorry for not responding earlier.

I got some H3 comming in and will check the bulb length. I sold a few H3's and never had a problem with the bulb being too long. All of the xenon bulbs reguardless of the bulb number what I noticed that they all use the same xenon bulb. What I was told a H3 is still a H3 and should fit any application. To be on the safe side stick a pen inside and measure the depth and if you got at least an inch and a half the H3 xenon will fit.

I see this thread in the interest of my hid conversion kits but only 1 kit went ouf to you guys. I still got my connection for a lamp supplier and now a DOT lamp is available.

Also wanted to let you guys know becareful on what you read on the internet about the cons on adding hid's to a halogen projectors about glare issues and blinging scatter light output.

 

[Syboy]

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There is not much space behind reflector where the wiring connections are.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...90172320179&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

The H3 HID has short arc tube length of 37mm but the H9 have a flat base with wiring exit a 90 to arc tube that is need to fit into the foglight housing.

Ok sorry for not responding earlier.

I got some H3 comming in and will check the bulb length. I sold a few H3's and never had a problem with the bulb being too long. All of the xenon bulbs reguardless of the bulb number what I noticed that they all use the same xenon bulb. What I was told a H3 is still a H3 and should fit any application. To be on the safe side stick a pen inside and measure the depth and if you got at least an inch and a half the H3 xenon will fit.

I see this thread in the interest of my hid conversion kits but only 1 kit went ouf to you guys. I still got my connection for a lamp supplier and now a DOT lamp is available.

Also wanted to let you guys know becareful on what you read on the internet about the cons on adding hid's to a halogen projectors about glare issues and blinging scatter light output.

 

[4rs fed]

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no problems on my truck with the kits i sell

 

[Syboy]

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no problems on my truck with the kits i sell ]

Do you have 50W H3 HID?

 

[4rs fed]

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Do you have 50W H3 HID?

your looking at them in the pictures

 

[redneckwonder]

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could you pull your truck about 25-30 feet from a wall and take pictures in pitch black...get some with just headlights, and others with just foglights. thank you.

 

[redneckwonder]

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Do you know which H3 HID kit will fit in the stock foglight housing?

From the back of the reflector with the digital calipers to lens I measure 1.625 and if I leave some space so the HID doesn't touch the lens I get 1.5625".

Looking some of the HID bulbs there maybe not enough space behind the reflector inside the housing. Do I drill a hole in foglight case? I would like to use the stock foglight bracket as it has aim screw for up and down.

What have other people done to install H3 HID in the foglight or have just change the bulbs?

unfortunately, you wont find a burner that is any shorter or any longer than one size with one focal length that was intented for automotive application. The manufacturers then design around these bulbs to make their lamps work, people such as Grote Industries( in Madison, I worked there as an optical engineering intern), and Osram Sylvania( Seymour, IN, where my ex-gf dad worked as a prototype lamp design engineer for 20 years).There are four styles of burners out there: D1S D2S D1R and D2R.

The number stands for generation. The first gen had a the igniter attached to the back of the burner, which worked, but was improved upon by integrating the igniter with the ballast in the 2nd gen models, or "2".

The R designates the bulb is intended to be used in a "reflector" application, such as a reflector housing. Common example would be in a Lincoln Mark VIII, the first US car with HID's.

The S designates the bulb is intended for use in a "shielded" housing. This is also known as a projector.

The only difference in these burners is a graphite coating on parts of the R designated burner, which blocks light from reflecting out of a housing and blinding oncoming drivers.

Remember these things arent just maglites, they are extremely bright!!

D2S: http://www.xenony.intnet.pl/sklep/images/zarprze/d2ssklep.jpg

D1R: http://www.brightheadlights-hid.com/wpe7.jpg

Notice the second picture is first gen, with igniter, and R designation, so it has the graphite coating.

I have put projector retrofits in a 57 Chevy Panel Wagon, 41 Ford, 79 Stingray, 97 Sonoma that had composite lamps from factory, and a 69 Cutlass. Its doable the correct way, but cheaper isn't always better. Some applications do really need the projector retrofit to make full use of the light output. Hope all this helps you!

 

[redneckwonder]

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Both of my applications have the dome in the middle of the headlight housings to direct the light forward whether I have hid or stock lights in there .

They look no different coming down the road than my friends bmw x5 or moms mercedes benz .

Maybe you are referring to this type of housing below ? That I see being blinding like looking into the sun , but Ive never seen a set of those on the street , at least any with hids anyway :dunno:

Either way , hids are 1000x better then oem style lighting , but yes , they should be installed with the safety of you and others drivers on the road .

The first lens you have pictured here is a reflector housing, using a light shield to curb blinding light from oncoming traffic.

The second you have pictured here is a sealed unit using what is known as pillow optics. The reason for these two designs is 1) the first one is prettier, but also more expensive to make. 2) The second one is uglier and cheaper to make.

The first design is injection molded and then vacuum plated, and if the mold doesnt hold exact tolerance the reflective surfaces will shoot light at unacceptable and illegal angles everywhere.
The second model however relies on a simple parabolic dish to gather light straight forward and push it through the "pillow optics" that place certain amounts of light in certain locations ahead on the road.

Outside of Mercedes, youll notice a general pattern of sealed beam pillow optics on low end cars and "prettier housings" the more you spend.

Now, if you go sticking an HID into the second housing, you will have a catastrophe. The light for one is just too much candela for the design and small traces of light that are let upward to reflect off road signs, now become tractor beams, and the source itself is not shielded from oncoming traffic.

The first housing is workable, notice the guys picture on the link of the GN with HIDS. The cutoffs are still fuzzy and theres some stray light up top, but for cryin out loud, dont ever go any less than this. Also, I would have to agree that projectors are the only real way to go. Output is second to none, and I dont think it matters why, it just is. Is it more expensive? Yes. But your driving experience is worth it IMO.

 

[4rs fed]

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could you pull your truck about 25-30 feet from a wall and take pictures in pitch black...get some with just headlights, and others with just foglights. thank you.

i plan on it, just been busy at work

 

[THEMADTYPH00N]

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I know these are ugly. But I thought it might add to the discussion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-9...165509081QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300165509081

 

[redneckwonder]

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I know these are ugly. But I thought it might add to the discussion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-9...165509081QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300165509081

if you will notice, all that is, is one giant fresnel, pronounced ( FER-NEL). All its doing is grabbing some random light off the bulb and making it appear as if it is helping your light output. Im not making fun of you or anything, but its good that you brought these up. These are a total waste of money and material that went into making them.

 

[Syboy]

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your looking at them in the pictures

How much for the 50 H3 HID?

 

[Syboy]

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I did some more measuring yesterday from the lens to base of the reflector 42mm.

From the back side of the reflector the Halogen PIAA H3 bulb sticks out 7.84mm.

From the lens to deepest part of foglight housing 55mm.

From the base of the H3 bulb to filment 17mm.

The H3C HID will work but will produce less light the H3 50W HID.

The H3C HID wires from the bulb would have to extend outside the foglight housing to the ballast and from the ballast to the relay then the foglight wiring.

H3 HID tube length is 37mm. From where the H3 mounting flange where the screw attaches to where the wire exit the base is 26mm.

HB3 HID tube length is 52mm and from the flange to base where the wires exit is 23mm. The HB3 HID tube length is too long to fit in between foglight lens and reflector.

Looking at the dimensions H3 HID bulb would not fit in the stock foglight housing without some modifications. If I were to install a H3 HID 50W bulb some part would extend outside of the foglight housing.

i was woundering this as well...i talked to someone and they said they havent found ones that were short enough yet