L-35 heads.

It's just a six

Super Member
I have not seen the intake port on the L-35 heads, but it seems like the intake port has a vane further into the port like the LB4 heads?

Was wondering if anyone has a junk L-35 head, if they could see if that lump/vane in the intake port could be removed by grinding/port it out? Would like to see if it is possible .

If it could be removed, that would greatly improve the intake flow.

Can anyone post some pics of there L-35 intake ports, bowl areas of there heads?
Need a good light as to see further into the port.
A light such as this http://www.ebay.com/itm/KOBALT-BEND...4053969?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item19dc878f51 would allow to see the intake port much better.

Thanks, if anyone could do this.:tup:
 
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Icarus-54

Donating Old Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Don't know what you mean by vain.There is no recess in the separation between the ports,other than that they are the same design as the lb-4 with more volume(slightly more),plus the eye brow for the popit valve injector.
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Don't know what you mean by vain.There is no recess in the separation between the ports,other than that they are the same design as the lb-4 with more volume(slightly more),plus the eye brow for the popit valve injector.

On the LB4 heads, there is a vane in the port, a high swirl vane that obstructs flow & makes the intake port window size small, that is the big restriction & it (this vane) is used to made low end torque. Part of the reason our engines revs so low.

These heads (the LB4 style heads) are also used IIRC, on the 1988-1995 SBC truck heads, they have OK low end power, but will not make any higher RPM power.

If you look @ the LB4 heads, follow the air path & you can see how it enters the combustion chamber, it will have a swirling action.

I was told from my friend that owns a cyl head shop, that a racer that raced V-6 Chevy 4.3's used either the LB4, or L35 heads & was able to completely remove this high swirl vane.

He (this racer) told him that some of these high swirl vane heads have hollow vanes & some have solid vanes, with the solid vane type heads, you can completely remove this vane, if the vanes are hollow, you cannot do so.

If you can remove this vane, the heads will flow tremendously more over a stock high swirl head.

I would like to see if this can be done, so if anyone has some junk LB4 or L35 heads & would like to experiment (by removing this vane/obstruction) , this would give us a lot better direct bolt-on flowing head.
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Most likely the L35's could flow close to the same as the 96 & newer Vortec heads.
The 96 & up Vortec heads have a better combustion chamber & better short turn radius's, but when forcing air/fuel into the combustion chamber as we are, the short turn radius's (hence, better airflow) does not matter as much, as long as the port window is as big as the 96 & up Vortecs, or @ least close to it.
 
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Icarus-54

Donating Old Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Lb-4 and L-35 head have almost no short side contore (drop into the cc)that's the reason for the ramp.Take that out and you totally destroy the mixture capability of the head.Try it and you'll see how quickly you've ruined a set of heads.Its been donre before.
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Lb-4 and L-35 head have almost no short side contore (drop into the cc)that's the reason for the ramp.Take that out and you totally destroy the mixture capability of the head.Try it and you'll see how quickly you've ruined a set of heads.Its been donre before.

I am pretty sure Torrey had this done this mod to his stock LB4 heads (very secretive) & believe he had run in the 10's. He told me straight, he used stock original LB4 heads, but would not go into detail. I asked him if he had Valley head service removed this vane & he would not answer me.

If you take out this vane, it will look like a standard SBC head that will greatly increase the intake flow.
Just look @ the flow number of 441 SBC heads, that is what I am thinking the L-35 heads could flow w/out this vane.

Also, you are acting like this high swirl vane is a good thing?
If it's been done before, lets see some pics. Posts or anything about it. Have you done this mod to LB4 or L-35 heads?
The LB4 & L-35s I am pretty sure have the same short turn radius's as any standard factory SBC head, the way your statement is that the short turn radius's are completely redesigned for the vane to work better?

I have some 441 SBC heads @ my parents house if you want me to take some pics & compare?

The way it is going to throw the mixture off is because of the more intake flow, hence more air going into the engine, mixture wont be off because of some bad design/mod flaw because the vane was removed.

I am not asking anyone to do this on a good set of heads, I stated to use a junk head for R&D purposes.
 
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It's just a six

Super Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Is this what you are looking for?

Yes, but yours are ported & the port window enlarged correct?

Thank you BTW,

BTW, if anyone could post pics of the stock LB4 intake ports that would be great so people can understand about this big obstruction.

On a typical SBC heads, you can only port so much before you go into where the push rod goes through the head, this is/was common & as a result, the cyl head shops would install metal tubes to prevent the oil being sucked into the engine where the wall was broken through.
 

Icarus-54

Donating Old Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Take a look a the valve bowl,it's straight up and down with no contrure,then look at a set of vortecs.If you remove the ramp the air hits a straight wall.The ramp can be modded to work reall;y well if you want to spend some time on it.The biggest gain can be had by relieving the area in front of the valve stem and slightly shortening the ramp.By in front ,I mean coming from the intake manifold.Take the ramp out and you'll have puddles of fuel laying in the valve bowl.Common sense--it didn't work in 1996,it wont work now.And that's all I have to say, they're your heads,go ahead and find out for self.
 

Icarus-54

Donating Old Member
Re: L-35 heads.

If you remove the ramp the air hits a straight wall,the back of the valve bowl has no conture,take a look at a set of vortecs.The ramp can flow really well if you want to spend some time on it.The biggest gain can be had by relieving the area in front of the valve stem and slightly shortening the ramp.If you remove the ramp you'll have puddles of fuel in the valve bowl.It didn't work in 1996.it wont work now.Thats all I have to say but they're your heads so go for it and find out for your self.
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: L-35 heads.

As I was stating, if anyone has some more pics of the L-35 heads, so we could see the bowl areas (beneath the seats) that would explain what Icarus-54 is talking about.

I have a hard time believing GM through out the venturi designed bowl areas in favor of a high swirl vane.
The purpose of this high swirl vane is to produce low RPM torque of these type of heads, we/us having a turbocharged engine, we pretty much have all the torque we need & could use some more HP.
Bowl areas can be reshaped if they are a flat wall. But only so much. All the old school small chamber 64CC heads, Covette camel humps ,peanut humps,041, 186 heads etc, all have a bowl area that can be recon toured/reshaped. Those old school heads do not flow as well as the 1996 Vortec heads, the bowl area has something to do w/it, but also the short turn radius are huge in comparison to the older style heads..

Now,, knowing that we are turbocharged/A.K.A forced induction, we are not as concerned w/flow numbers as a natural aspirated engine is. If you make a incorrect valve angle on a seat, that can cause you to lose 20+ CFM, but if you are forcing the air/fuel mixture into the combustion chamber it is not as critical, that bad seat angle is getting forced air/fuel past it regardless,,, get what I am saying?

Now, don't get this confused as w/we do not need a good flowing head because we do.
The Stock LB4 heads have a small intake port window, lets just says it is equal to 1 square inch, does not matter how much pressure you are forcing air/fuel past this bottle neck, it can only pass so much. Now, open up that bottle neck to lets say 1.5 square inches, you can see how it could pass more air/fuel.

Not bragging,,, my truck produced a peak of 396 HP & 604 FT lbs of torque, I would like to get a little more HP & it's the combination of a few things why I cannot make much HP, & one of the big reason being is the cyl heads are a BIG restriction.

I would like to see if we, as a group can come up w/some junk cylinder head/s so we could do some R&D w/pics, flow numbers etc.

I think my friend still has a stock LB4 head lying around I am pretty sure I can do with whatever I please.

Anyone else interested besides Icarus-54, he already has done it all?

Like I said from my post # 6, a racer from years ago has completely removed the high swirl vane & had made huge gains in power, & that was w/a N/A engine,( more dependent/critical of heads flowing good) not a turbocharged engine.
 
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Damian

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Re: L-35 heads.

I'm interested in this. I've been wanting to get a set of L35 heads anyways, is love to mod them for more power!
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: L-35 heads.

I'm interested in this. I've been wanting to get a set of L35 heads anyways, is love to mod them for more power!

I have too, just would like to actually see if these ideas I have heard are true.

There was one guy here that posted L-35 heads w/the combustion chambers welded up to look like 96 & newer Vortec heads(heart shaped chambers), they did a great job it looked like in the pics.
Not sure if I can find that post? Anyone?
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: L-35 heads.

It's just a six said:
Most likely the L35's could flow close to the same as the 96 & newer Vortec heads.

Will these heads flow more than stock, unported vortecs?

Seems like you have no evidence (hence this attempt to research it :tup:) but also suggest that it would be a bolt on head comparable to the vortecs.

If you have to grind them and port them down... it isn't a bolt on solution.

Having drilled heads personally, I think that would be a lot easier than porting these apparently rare L35s. Porting requires either a lot of skill and a lot of time or a lot of money. (probably all three!)

Additionally, when people are done porting, do they check to make sure the cylinders are flow matched? It seems like it would be too easy to port something for high flow but have it mismatched.

After all this effort, it still seems like drilling the holes in vortec heads to match our manifold would be a lot easier than all this effort which ultimately may prove fruitless at best or disastrous at worst (if the cylinders are lean).

So what is it you hope to achieve? If vortecs flow better then why do these at all?

Not bashing - just asking why. :tup:
 

90pgt

Donating Member
Re: L-35 heads.

I'm having my ported L35s drilled out for bronze guides and if the vains are solid I'm going to remove them and re flow the heads

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It's just a six

Super Member
Re: L-35 heads.

Will these heads flow more than stock, unported vortecs?

Seems like you have no evidence (hence this attempt to research it :tup:) but also suggest that it would be a bolt on head comparable to the vortecs.

If you have to grind them and port them down... it isn't a bolt on solution.

Having drilled heads personally, I think that would be a lot easier than porting these apparently rare L35s. Porting requires either a lot of skill and a lot of time or a lot of money. (probably all three!)

Additionally, when people are done porting, do they check to make sure the cylinders are flow matched? It seems like it would be too easy to port something for high flow but have it mismatched.

After all this effort, it still seems like drilling the holes in vortec heads to match our manifold would be a lot easier than all this effort which ultimately may prove fruitless at best or disastrous at worst (if the cylinders are lean).

So what is it you hope to achieve? If vortecs flow better then why do these at all?

Not bashing - just asking why. :tup:

I do not have any evidence, only hearing from racers that have used this type of mods.

Not a bolt on? Yes they bolt on w/out doing anything to them.

Porting heads does take some sort of skill, you can do it yourself ,get books on how to or pay someone to do it.

My take on porting heads for a forced induction type engine, is that you do not need to have the best shapes to see gains, as long as the ports are bigger the turbo is going to force the air/fuel mixture into the engine.

I am not saying do not try to get the best shapes possible, just at least do a decent port job & you will see gains.

Tooky did his own backyard porting to Vortec 96 & newer heads, after his porting, the heads actually flowed worse than stock,, that does not mean his heads flowed worse than stock when forced induction is involved.
You can absolutely kill cyl head flow just by using a wrong/incorrect seat angle. So a great valve job helps a lot also. Depending on the throat angle dictates what valve & seat angles work, they have to all work together, a combination sort to speak.

My friend has run in circle track races & had a set of fully ported larger valve 2.02 1.60" factory stock cast iron heads. The problem is, when you win the race you get torn down , you need to bring one head & the intake manifold to the judges. (No porting allowed)
Knowing that it is mandatory for tear down after the win, right after the race, he had one stock style head 2.02 1.60 valves,( drivers side) but no porting what so ever, the other head was the fully ported 2.02 1.60 head on the passenger side.
He had won the race, pulled off the drivers side "STOCK" head, non ported head & intake manifold to the judges & had passed inspection & therefore won the race.
Point is, between the 2 heads there was a great difference in flow & the engine ran great still.

Hell I have seen SBC's run one larger chamber 76 cc head on one side & the other a small chamber 64 CC head & the engine ran fine.

Point of doing this is one, the heads are a direct bolt-on head, no drilling required.
Two, the heads look original as compared to the Vortecs, those do not look original.
Three, in California, we need to pass smog here, & to pass a smog test here, the EGR valve needs to be functioning & working. The 96 & newer Vortec heads cannot provide exhaust gas to the EGR valve.
That is just 3 off the top of my head.

I hope to achieve a bolt on cylinder head that will flow close to a 96 & newer Vortec head, look stock & stealthy, be able to pass smog.

There was a guy here that ran fast w/the L-35 heads, I think he was running in the 10's can't remember who it was off hand. Anyone remember who that was?
 
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