tune up from hell. now i need help

atomicmecha

I hate rust
Give the typhoon a tune up they said... it'll be good for it they said... it'll run much better they said. :shoot:

Today has been awful. :bad-word:


So the idea was to give the typhoon a tune up. Brought a new MSD cap, roter, and coil. NKG plugs. Set of Taylor Wires. Even got a roll of new vacuum hose to replace some of the dried up ones.

So first thing, the dude I got this typhoon from said he tuned up a few months before selling it to me. From the looks of it, that only involved a new cap. Or so I hope, because who ever replaced the plugs last needs to never touch a car again.

First thing, 5 of the plugs were gapped at 0.45(ish). note the "ish" because none of them were 0.45 on the mark. One plug was different than the others and gapped at 0.50. :squint: Luckly they weren't fouled or anything. Just really burnt.

Whatever. I gapped all of the new ones at 0.30 based on a recommendation from here since I'm going to be running higher boost and the ultimate chip program on my G3.


Moving on. Old wires were... old. So was the cap. It shattered when i tried to pull it off. Again, what ever.

New plugs in. Wires run. New coil installed. Time for the cap. Turns out one of the screws is stripped on the distributor tower. ****. What about the other one? No thats fine. Ah shit it just stripped the hole as well. Now my cap wont stay put. Ok, new slightly larger screws. Re-threaded the cap and the mounting holes. So far so go. Got one started, lets get the other one going. And dropped it. :roll: Can't find it. Spent an hour with an air gun and a magnet on a stick looking for it. Gone. Now what. Well let me tighten this other one down and see how it is. No, thats too loose. But maybe it'll be ok. :(

This has already take several hours just for the cap. :rant: Tried the old one again, no luck. So now I'm wondering what to do. I don't really have the money at the moment to get an entirely new distributor tower.

Would it be a problem to just drill the damn thing out and use a set of bolts to clamp it down?


Now my other issue is that its running badly now. I started driving it home and it died about half a mile from my friends hose as soon as i tried to give a little gas. tach went ballistic when i did. wiggled the cap and gave it a moment and it came back to life. drove it a bit further and suddenly BAM. big old backfire and i'm dead again. Did this several times on my 4 mile trip back home. I'm hoping its doing this because of the loose distributor and the computer going into limp mode. I'm hoping. :?


Also, the vacuum lines on these things are a bloody nightmare. 4 different sizes. 3 connectors. Jesus. I wanna slap a GMC designer from the 90's for this bullshit. :tdown:


So help please. Is my backfire/horrible running/sluggish/random dying/CEL all cause of a loose distributor cap? Or did I break something else?



Oh and one more thing... did a compression check on everything while i had the plugs out. Got the following:
1 -- 150
2 -- 125
3 -- 145
4 -- 145
5 -- 130
6 -- 115


I'm thinking I've got some bad valves. Not enough of a drop to say a bad ring. I think. Would explain why I get a puff of blue smoke at start up and then clear after that. So... time for a top end rebuild? :dunno:
 

blue83z

Donating Member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

If it makes your life any easier, I believe I have the distributor from when I parted 0079. Pm me if you're interested.
 

atomicmecha

I hate rust
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

Oh and this is the old vs new plug... worst of the old plugs btw.

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even my girl was in disbelief.
 

ajt86

Member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

In a pinch once for a customer we zip tied a distributor cap on untill the new part came in... 2 long zip ties over the cap under the base and tightend the hell out of them with pliers. 115 compression is pretty low... do a leakdown on that cylinder id check 2,5, and 6
 

Snoman002

New member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

Murphies Law.

Most likely, the only way to tell for sure is to fix it. Unless there is no material you should be able to drill both the dist and the cap for a larger bolt, or put a nut on the bolt from the underside, some JB weld could be used to hold the nut in place.

For your compression follow the link provided for more info. But, to diagnose rings put a small amount of oil down the spark plug hole and see if compression increases. If it does then it's rings, if not them most likely its in the heads. If its in the heads try the de-carboning trick like mentioned as its free and doesn't hurt to try.
 

Adam#0213

This truck is awesome!!
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

Vacuum lines you can buy from sportmachines 90 dollars I think call tom comes with directions very easy to install. Hth
 

jeepruby04

New member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

I've crossed a couple plug wires before just changing plugs. Very easy to do when doing a complete ignition tune up, never hurts to re-check firing order.
 

atkonkler

Is this your bush?
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

See previous post on using water to clean intake just for shits and see if it helps clean up the valves and bring up compression some! What have ya got to lose?
 

atomicmecha

I hate rust
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

It did run 'well' before the tune up. well being a broad term. It had a hard start issue and smoke after sitting a while. and it had a mis when under the gun sometimes. but it'd run without a problem at like 65 down the highway.

Other than the tune up, all I did was replace the vacuum lines and brake booster line. Got that steel one from RPM that gives you a hook up for a boost gauge. My current boost gauge was spliced into (and very poorly) the same vac line as the HVAC controls and cruise control. I replaced all of the lines from the port on the front of the manifold back to all the lines meeting. I'm fairly sure I didn't leave and holes or anything. The only thing I didn't put back is one of the one-way check valves. BUT the way i redid the lines, it comes out of the manifold, then check valve, then out to the split and off to each thing. So it should be fine right? And also my after market boost gauge is no longer hooked up because the line coming from it is too short because the previous owner decided to cut it at the firewall and run normal vac lines (the big fat rubber kind) out to the manifold. The hook up on the brake booster isn't mean for that. So I'll need to go get some new line tomorrow and finish that up. I did cap off the hook up.

And I doubt a vac leak would cause an issue like this... or would it?
 

Syclone#892

Member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

You do need the check valves otherwise under boost your going to send boost to things that need vacuum! I have on other vehicles just used a slightly longer bolt for the dist and then put a nut on it undern eath. I would do those things then see where you are at :D
Good luck!
 

aasltmike

Active member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

You do need the check valves otherwise under boost your going to send boost to things that need vacuum! I have on other vehicles just used a slightly longer bolt for the dist and then put a nut on it undern eath. I would do those things then see where you are at :D
Good luck!

Just my :2cents: about check valves: make sure the one-way in our vac lines is set the right way. I had a major issue with CEL setting a trouble code after re-doing my lines shortly after I bought my truck. Long story short, I had the check valve installed going the wrong way and it kept setting a trouble code. Once I figured that out, no more CEL.
 

GAShan

Donating Member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

Try Delco CR42TS plugs. There have been problems with some other brands.
 

Snoman002

New member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

The smoke at startup is normal (search: Valve Seals) and nothing to be concerned about (unless its excessive, a puff is OK). The miss was probably the huge gap, but you won't know until its running right.

Don't fret until you get what you KNOW is wrong fixed. One step at a time or you won't know where the problem is. Doing a bunch of stuff at once just leads to chasing your tail.
 

atomicmecha

I hate rust
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

Just my :2cents: about check valves: make sure the one-way in our vac lines is set the right way. I had a major issue with CEL setting a trouble code after re-doing my lines shortly after I bought my truck. Long story short, I had the check valve installed going the wrong way and it kept setting a trouble code. Once I figured that out, no more CEL.

How do you know which way is the right way?
 

atomicmecha

I hate rust
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

You do need the check valves otherwise under boost your going to send boost to things that need vacuum! I have on other vehicles just used a slightly longer bolt for the dist and then put a nut on it undern eath. I would do those things then see where you are at :D
Good luck!

oh shit... just pulled up the vac diagram for our trucks and looks like i took the check valve out of the EGR. Its now set up so that it hits just the one check valve, then splits with one line going off to the egr, the other going to a 2nd T spliter which feeds the vac ball and the controls.

Guess I'll be straighting that out as well tomorrow. :roll:
 

atomicmecha

I hate rust
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

ok.... day 2...


So found out that the MAP sensor had come unplugged. Explains a lot of issues like it flooding out and such when given gas. So fixed that. Also found out that I had left the EGR unplugged. So thats now re-attached.


So I'm getting another distributor tower from a fellow board member, but for now I ziptied the hell out of it. Still kinda loose but no where's near as bad as before.


BUT. now its running like crap. My guess is that its missing on one of the cylinders.

This is what the data log looks like now:
typhoon1.PNG


Thats me letting it idle for a bit then hitting the gas to bring it up to 3000rpm's for a few seconds. then back to idle. There is nothing smooth about it now. Used to be a kicker at idle but not this bad. The error 33 is cause the map sensor was unplugged earlier. Haven't cleared the code yet. That code wouldn't cause this ruffness would it?



Also mad a quick video of how its running right now.

http://youtu.be/MxTmm8B_9gY


So is it missing? or what?



I dunno how it could be missing. I checked all of the plug wires and the firing order. All the wires are nicely seated on the plugs and the cap. And the firing order is correct. As far as I know...
 

Snoman002

New member
Re: tune up from hell. now i need help

Dude, run to the hardware store, buy some cheap bolts that fit in the cap and are a bit longer and some nuts to fit them. Put the bolts in, the nuts on the underside and get that cap on tight. You can't trouble shoot with known trouble.
 
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