rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

danimal95

Member
After months of crap weather I finally got the Phoon out last night for about a 20 mile driveafter completing the conversion,lots of stop and go,crowned roads,cracked roads,sharp turns and lots of straight-aways for WOT blasts.

So first off lets talk about the overall driving feel at low speeds,really good feedback through the wheel,I could tell alot just through that,the steering response although much quicker was much more predictable,100% of the "slop" is not a distant memory,also I should mention that the steering feels a bit heavier which for my personal preference is a good thing

High speed turns:eek:nce again much more predictable and much less steering wheel input to execute the turns,you autocross guys would love it

WOT from stop:very,very little movement of the front end due to torque steer,dont forget I run a front locker,and with the old steering it would have been a death wish on some of these crowned and cracked roads I was on.And just for direct comparison I went down several roads that I knew what the result would have been with the old box because I had traveled them many times last year

WOT downshifts:Once again zero unpredictable movments.From a roll of about 20 mph WOT would downshift from 2nd back to 1st and I got zero torque steer,and just like above last year I would have been doing some drastic counter steering and pedaling of the throttle to control it

So overall I am very pleased so far with the results of the swap and would do it again in an instant.It brought the driving experience to a whole new level of comfort and control

Drawbacks:Only one as of now,the turning radius has been reduced by a pretty large margin,so it may take some getting used to in order to hit parking spot right,but other than that i absolultely love it

I will continue to give feed back on this as I drive it more and get more unique driving situations to report on,I hope this was helpful
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Thats what im talkin about. Cant wait to drive mine again. Thanks for the feedback!
 

mattw

Active member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Did you ever post any pics of what you came up with for a steering shaft? I'm curious to see how you worked that out..
 

DULM

New member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I think I may have to do this since mine is torn down to the frame right now.
 

danimal95

Member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I just looked again and I still don't see any of the actual steering shaft(from firewall to R&P unit). How many joints did you end up using? Did you have to support the shaft mid-span with some sort of bearing?
there arent any pics of that section so tight in there none of the pics really turned out any usable info.

I used a double joint right off the rack,to a single at a support bearing of the upper shock mount to the yoke out of the column with another joint,you may not need that many but due to the headers on my truck I needed 3.the shaft was the hardest part of the whole project,and took a lot of time to avoid too sharp of an angle and a bind situation.

Anyone doing this should use these parts:92 mustang fox body rack,95 mustang inner tie rods and 95 mustang outer tie rods.The 92 fox body inner rods were too short to make the needed alignment adjustments and the 95's are about 1.5" longer which worked out perfectly
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

there arent any pics of that section so tight in there none of the pics really turned out any usable info.

I used a double joint right off the rack,to a single at a support bearing of the upper shock mount to the yoke out of the column with another joint,you may not need that many but due to the headers on my truck I needed 3.the shaft was the hardest part of the whole project,and took a lot of time to avoid too sharp of an angle and a bind situation.

Anyone doing this should use these parts:92 mustang fox body rack,95 mustang inner tie rods and 95 mustang outer tie rods.The 92 fox body inner rods were too short to make the needed alignment adjustments and the 95's are about 1.5" longer which worked out perfectly

You had to ream the spindles for those tie rod ends right?
 

jpalmer

New member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Good to finally see feedback. I have worried a little about this conversion, but have been hoping for good results.
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

yes quit a bit,the reamer isnt cheap either

I know I almost bought one. I decided to have a sleeve made instead to mate the the inner Typhoon tie rod end to the stock 89GT R&P. I did have to shorten the inner gt ends about 1" but that's no biggie.
 

DULM

New member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

yes quit a bit,the reamer isnt cheap either

Did you purchase the reamer for the shop or did you send off to have it done? Is it something you'd offer as a service for those wanting to do this?
 

danimal95

Member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Did you purchase the reamer for the shop or did you send off to have it done? Is it something you'd offer as a service for those wanting to do this?

It is a co-workers,but we could do it here if you wanted to send your spindles,but honestly it by the time you paid for shipping you could have just bought one
 

danimal95

Member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I know I almost bought one. I decided to have a sleeve made instead to mate the the inner Typhoon tie rod end to the stock 89GT R&P. I did have to shorten the inner gt ends about 1" but that's no biggie.

I had to shorten the 95 inner rods but the 92's were too short and unusable,sounds like you may have been sent the 95 R&P by mistake of the parts store,you got lucky then,because I had to buy the inners and the outers twice
 

DULM

New member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

It is a co-workers,but we could do it here if you wanted to send your spindles,but honestly it by the time you paid for shipping you could have just bought one

I wasn't sure how expensive you were talking when you were talking about price. I thought it might be more expensive to send them than it would be to just buy the reamer.
 

danimal95

Member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

And if anyone is interested my old close ratio IROC steering box is for sale:)
 

danimal95

Member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I wasn't sure how expensive you were talking when you were talking about price. I thought it might be more expensive to send them than it would be to just buy the reamer.

no not terrible but it was around $75 which is considerable for a tool youll only use once
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I had to shorten the 95 inner rods but the 92's were too short and unusable,sounds like you may have been sent the 95 R&P by mistake of the parts store,you got lucky then,because I had to buy the inners and the outers twice

Man you had me thinking so I went and double checked. I definitely have the Mustang gt 1989 rack. Keep in mind, I used the SYTY INNERS. The outters were way too long. But it forced me to cut the mustang rack a little shorter.
 

danimal95

Member
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

Man you had me thinking so I went and double checked. I definitely have the Mustang gt 1989 rack. Keep in mind, I used the SYTY INNERS. The outters were way too long. But it forced me to cut the mustang rack a little shorter.

I think we may be talking about 2 different parts,the sy/ty inner tie rods can not be connected to the fox body rack,did you use the sy/ty tie rod adjuster sleve some how??...this isnt making any sense
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: rack and pinon compete and driving impressions

I think we may be talking about 2 different parts,the sy/ty inner tie rods can not be connected to the fox body rack,did you use the sy/ty tie rod adjuster sleve some how??...this isnt making any sense

Like I said, I had some sleeves made. They accommodate the different thread sizes on each end. I paid about $50 each to have a local machine make them.

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