1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

[Cuztom Racing]

Im in the market for a syclone. Wondering what kinda 1/4 mile times can i expect from a "bolt on" truck, upgraded turbo, suspention etc? Im not wanting to lay down a 9 sec pass, i have something else for that. I just want a sweet ride I can ease around town and piss off some camaros and go to the track and run decent numbers.. I hear they run low 13s stock. Are low 12s to high 11s possible??

 

[turbodig]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Stockers can run in the mid-high 12s with a decent tune. (Assuming race gas or alky)


"Bolt On" means different things to different people.

Generally, people have better luck longevity-wise if they don't get too crazy with the mods.

 

[BoostedSUV]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

I agree with DIG, getting too crazy with bolt ons can make things unreliable and be a headache to get right. A stock syclone with basic bolt-ons (ie exhaust, 255walbro, chip, filter, tune up, hardwired IC pump etc) is good for low to mid 13s as it sits. Go with a custom tune, meth injection, higher boost levels and you're in the upper 12s range.

If you are trying to go 11s you are probably going to need a larger turbo, meth inj/race gas, and vortec heads/cam swap, larger injectors, fuel pump, tune etc!

 

[Cuztom Racing]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Ok im not wanting to break off in the motor.., yet.. Im wanting to do every bolt on possible, bolt ons to me is anything i can do to the truck without pulling the motor, headers, bigger turbo and intercooler, 4:10 gears, cold air, converter, cuztom tune, throttle body, (maybe vortec heads) and anything i need suspention wise to make hook on the street., without 4 linking... What ya think? mid 12s??

 

[raman117]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

I don't think hooking is a problem....

 

[sy#2716]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

fastest was phil long. He went 10s on a stock motor. But that is not common at all.

 

[It's just a six]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Going to 410's will probably slow it down.

I run low 12's w/minimal mods & a ultimate chip & a Pittbull 2 bar chip.

 

[Cuztom Racing]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Going to 410's will probably slow it down.

I run low 12's w/minimal mods & a ultimate chip & a Pittbull 2 bar chip.

Yeah im thinking bout my other trucks. 4:10s would probably be a lil much. 3:73s would probably be better..

See low 12s is what im talking bout! Low 12s on the street would be a money maker around my house! What all are you calling minimal mods?

Also how fast can you go before you start breaking the AWD stuff??

 

[SYO237]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Also how fast can you go before you start breaking the AWD stuff??

I broke my trans at 10mph. Its not a question of how fast you have to be going to break (though it helps), its just a question of how long will it last before it does break period.

Ive seen solid 11 sec street trucks, which is my goal once I get my tune correct. I have only bolt-ons with the main stuff being a PTE52 w/ open downpipe, 50# injectors, walbro with AFPR, A2A, and running Code59. Once I get alky on, I should be able to crank the boost a bit more and start dipping into high 11s. Street tires, vette rims and caltracs. Never have problems hooking unless its raining and I go for a huge boost launch.

 

[Cuztom Racing]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Great info guys this is excatly what im needing to know!

Im thinking a heads and cam swap shouldnt be bad without pulling the motor?? Specially if you already under the hood upgrading turbo and intake.. With all the bolt ons like syo237 has stated above and a mild turbo cam and vortec heads.. Should be a nasty street machine...

 

[JSM]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

I think your still thinking wrong with 373 gears, new to turbo world?

stock 342 gears work great for most, some of the faster guys go to 3.08. Throw away what you know from the NA motor world.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Some build you may want to search is turbo6, tooky or six is enough. Tooky also has his website www.powertuneplus.com If you look through their combo notice that all three of them did their own custom tune to get the end results.

If I had a stock Syclone and wanted to modify it this what I would do.

Put in a transmission cooler and deep pan. Buy a scan tool and run it stock. It should run mid to low 13's unless its really hot out/ or your at high altitudes. You probably will have to replace the fuel pump and intercooler pump if they haven't been done already. The truck should run with little to no knock retard (maybe a degree or so at shift point, but ideally none)

Get a wideband O2. Read up, start using code $59. Maybe you put a stock Cat back or K&N Air filter, but the truck should run mid 12's with race gas or alky injection. Along the way you might need a propshaft. Much faster than this you might as well save for your next bolt on mod, a transmission.

A bigger Turbo/Injectors should put you in the 11's. Heads/Cam deep into the 11's. A properly sized turbo with vortec heads/cam has the potential to run low 11's high 10's with the right ecm tune, suspension tuning and traction.

 

[BoostedSUV]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Forget the gear ratio change... That is not needed and won't help. You could also foget doing headers. They won't be necessary to run low 12s. From what I learned headers are just a waste of $1500 unless you're trying to run 10s with the mods to support it. Save time and money, go with a 255walbro, adj FPR, 65lb inj, larger turbo kit w/3in DP, torque converter (2800 stall), vortec heads and cam swap, A2A intercooler, get a proper tune and you are in the low 12s. :tup:

Throw in a meth kit, 25psi and you're in the high 11s! Listen to these guys! I wish I had when I started modding my truck, I would have saved a LOT of headaches! Only thing would be to upgrade the stock prop shaft, boost launches will break them!

 

[BoostedSUV]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

I definitely agree with Sy#2661... I never got into tuning a truck myself but a tune is EVERYTHING! You can spend all the all the money in the world on bolt ons but if you don't tune the truck it may go slower than when you started and break parts! Tune is the most vital mod. You will need a laptop with Datamaster or TunerProRT, WB02, piggyback board for the ECU.... You could pay someone like Nolan or Dig to do a tune but expect to pay 5-600. After the fact I read about code $59 and realized I probably could have tuned my truck myself.

I agree with the addition of a trans cooler, these transmissions are the weak link and heat is their worst enemy!

 

[JKsSyclone]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

My Sy runs 12's with the current set up. 3" ATR exhaust no muffler, 3" high flow cat, stock turbo (17 lbs of boost), stock injectors, billet adj. f.p. reg., a cheap Conley Magnum chip that I bought in 1996 :lol:, homemade alum. ice tank for the intercooler, surflow i.c. pump, 255 ltr/hr walboro, airfoil, K&N on the end of the factory crossover tube. It's kind of a less aggressive hodge-podge of parts but I drive the truck to work once or twice a week now and I wanted it to be reliable. The key is to keep it tuned up. New cap/rotor with brass terminals, good plugs, good wires, O2. Change these parts about 3x as often as you think you should and keep it running as close to 100% as you can. Be good to it and it will be good to you...most of the time.

 

[syclone3]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Its much easier to just keep the truck simple. A stock truck with good octane, decent weather will run low 13's. Thats if its in good shape and not worn out. As suggested. A 255 pump, filter, fp regulator, thermostat, IC pump. TUNEUP. Exhaust and a chip..... should make for a mid 12 sec truck. Some of have done that with more, few have done it with less. Definitely kick the mod itis of other brands of vehicles when addressing the Sy or Ty. Good luck with your project.

 

[Cuztom Racing]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

I think your still thinking wrong with 373 gears, new to turbo world?

stock 342 gears work great for most, some of the faster guys go to 3.08. Throw away what you know from the NA motor world.

Ok, yeah im caught up on the NA motor and nitrous motors. Im use to running alota gear. I run 4:10s in my dailing driver.

I am new to the turbo world. Ive always been a bottle baby, its hard to turn down that cheap hp.. But since the world of crazy fast cars and trucks have been leaning more to the turbos, i have been doing alot of research on turbo setups and wanting to start with a Sy. So mid to low 12s are capable from the stock turbo and engine setup.. That was my main question..

I do know that tuning is EVERYTHING! Thunder Racing dyno tunes all my builds... How hard are the Syclones to tune (with the old computer setup) say compared to the modern day LS1 cars and trucks??

 

[AXXE]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

I went 12.60 with the stock motor and turbo. I had the Ultimate on T3-17 with a tank of race gas. I also had Walbro 255, ATR cold air and a different exhaust. Later, I learned the truck was catless. I had boost control problems.

 

[Cuztom Racing]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

Man there are no Syclones down south, thats why i want one so bad.! Something different.. I see most of you guys are from up north im guessing there all up that way.. I've only ever seen 2 syclones and 1 typhoon in person. Cant wait to get my hands on one.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: 1/4 mile times on stock bolt on truck?

12.8 @ 103
K&N, ARFP, Fuel Pump, Chip, 18psi (stock turbo)