55 here. so i guess that makes me close to an old fart. phil, you ain't even close yet! but you can hang out with us old codgers it ya want. i guess mccoy, john gerber, and jim hoover and i are the elder statemen here. lets do old farts against young whippersnappers!!!! losin team buys the beer. but don't worry guys. when you get as "old" as us our prostates don't allow us too drink as much so i won't cost ya'll too much
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