scan tool for knock only

[skwayb]

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Yah I was going to try an autometer 0-15 psi Electric Fuel Pressure Gauge so if someone wanted to use an analog gauge I would have the directions how. But I don't have one the try it with.

I am probably going to wire it into my TechEdge Wideband USER input and have it output to my Wideband gauge in Usermode. Only draw back to that setup is I will only be able to display the AFR or the KR at one time. I was going to have it display the number and then have the outter bar grap light up and then FLASH once it hits 3 Degrees. Just haven't got around to it yet.

 

[bezerk]

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nice to see this working almost, but as there are only 10% of us using code59. is it that hard to rewire the ecm so we can use this on 58? with somne kind of patch? thanks!

 

[JSM]

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nice to see this working almost, but as there are only 10% of us using code59. is it that hard to rewire the ecm so we can use this on 58? with somne kind of patch? thanks!

Dig can expand on this but this is more than a patch as a new set of codes, tables was created. The problem with 58 code is lack of space (think of your harddrive being full), code59 has double the space which is allowing us to add in extra features.

The wiring itself is just a tadd more complex than tapping in a wideband signal (requires a resistor and capacitor).

 

[syclone3]

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I sent an email. I am interested in one. With five trucks. If I want to take a spin in one of of the stockers. It would be nice to have a scanmaster to let me know if its knocking. Three of them have the stock chip and are all stock otherwise. Good data and security to keep them in one piece.
Even though I have TunerPro and everything to burn chips, plus an Emulator. To me you can't have too many tools and data.

 

[thunderace31]

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The only way your going to get is to demaned it!

Email sales@fullthrottlespeed.com and tell them the more interested people the faster they will be to make it
Not everyone is running Code 59 and many dont want to like myself so something needs to be made to allow all users to use it on the truck stock or modded.

 

[turbodig]

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Dig can expand on this but this is more than a patch as a new set of codes, tables was created. The problem with 58 code is lack of space (think of your harddrive being full), code59 has double the space which is allowing us to add in extra features.

The wiring itself is just a tadd more complex than tapping in a wideband signal (requires a resistor and capacitor).

Wiring isn't the issue... the stock code didn't have the means to output this data.

I haven't found a way to make enough room in the code without messing with the already existing wideband patch and ALDL patch. That, and I barely have time to do code59 stuff, without maintaining other codebases.

Regardless of that, you'd still have to re-burn a chip to make it work, which it seems like a lot of people are reluctant to do.

Easiest way, IMO, would be to get a Casper's gauge, a 4.3 knock module, and the sensor that pairs with that module.

 

[thunderace31]

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Wiring isn't the issue... the stock code didn't have the means to output this data.

I haven't found a way to make enough room in the code without messing with the already existing wideband patch and ALDL patch. That, and I barely have time to do code59 stuff, without maintaining other codebases.

Regardless of that, you'd still have to re-burn a chip to make it work, which it seems like a lot of people are reluctant to do.

Easiest way, IMO, would be to get a Casper's gauge, a 4.3 knock module, and the sensor that pairs with that module.

Humm got me thinking is there a way to add a GN Knock sensor in our heads and then run the caspers Gauge set up ?? Seems that wouldnt be to hard if there was an extra plug some place in the head.
Still think everyone needs to just keep emailing Full throttle Speed and get them to make the damn Scanmaster :rant:

I think the big thing with Code 59 stuff is many of us just dont have the time for it. I have 2 Race/street cars the ty 2 daily drivers a family and a house on 2 acers to take care of just not time in any day to set and mess and learn something else beside the Datamaster stuff needed for this truck. And the wife and my friends hate setting in the front seat with a lap top all time. TOtal pain in AZZ!
I know Im totally not alone on this one. I see many of these trucks with blown engines even stock ones do to knock and its is a major killer of all engines.

 

[turbodig]

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Humm got me thinking is there a way to add a GN Knock sensor in our heads and then run the caspers Gauge set up ?? Seems that wouldnt be to hard if there was an extra plug some place in the head.
Still think everyone needs to just keep emailing Full throttle Speed and get them to make the damn Scanmaster :rant:

I think the big thing with Code 59 stuff is many of us just dont have the time for it. I have 2 Race/street cars the ty 2 daily drivers a family and a house on 2 acers to take care of just not time in any day to set and mess and learn something else beside the Datamaster stuff needed for this truck. And the wife and my friends hate setting in the front seat with a lap top all time. TOtal pain in AZZ!
I know Im totally not alone on this one. I see many of these trucks with blown engines even stock ones do to knock and its is a major killer of all engines.

You wouldn't use the Buick sensor... it's tuned for the Buick acoustics, which aren't the same as ours.
Thus the N/A 4.3 sensor and module. Still not the same acoustics, but it's a lot closer.

Having a method to show knock would have likely saved a lot of motors.

 

[bezerk]

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i emailed them already. i think it's just easy when you got a tuned truck running great, than you go without DM and just watch knock. i like the code 59 idea but mines are running almost perfect on 58

 

[WyoSyclone]

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Hey Guys... I've been watching this thread... some of you may know that I had an electronics company before I sold it a few years ago... let me call a couple of my buddies and see if we can get something put together for everyone..... but, be patient I'll post an update once I've spoken with them.

 

[bezerk]

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Hey Guys... I've been watching this thread... some of you may know that I had an electronics company before I sold it a few years ago... let me call a couple of my buddies and see if we can get something put together for everyone..... but, be patient I'll post an update once I've spoken with them.

thanks man, that would be a great help!
i don't eally see the problem since the ecm gets an input ffrom the knock sensor. the ecm is regenerating the input to a certain output. how hard would it be to T into the signal and have the box doing the same thing as the ecm but than into a 0-5 voltage.

thanks wyo syclone! u know we all gonna love this !!:tup:

 

[thunderace31]

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You wouldn't use the Buick sensor... it's tuned for the Buick acoustics, which aren't the same as ours.
Thus the N/A 4.3 sensor and module. Still not the same acoustics, but it's a lot closer.

Having a method to show knock would have likely saved a lot of motors.

SCANMASTER SCANMASTER SCANMASTER How many times must one say it :roll:
Everyone I know with a GN Or a T-type or a camaro has one !

PEOPLE LETS EMAIL THE HECK OUT OF THEM TILL THEY MAKE THEM! Hell they make them for 3.8 supercharged cars obd1 and obd2 both! How hard could it be and someone explain why ours would be that much different then some of the ones they already have ???

I dont get why it seems most poeple with a ty or sy are so afftaid to speak up and not just follow along with the Moates thing (I see it more as a huge headache) even if it is better its like learning to tune with an expensive stand alone system (Maybe even more complicated) Like DFI Or Fast or Xfi (I have DFI on my race car and it took me 2 years to get it to run right! and Im still not totally happy with it! IE HUGE PAIN! HUGE INVESTMENT)

Dig I have heard nothing but good things about and nothing but good things about campbel automotive and Honestly some of the stuff is really cool but they all need a laptop in the car to tune and see whats going on

Guess Im alone on the asking over and over for the same thing WHo knows I may just end up selling this truck and getting another GN or T who knows. Never ever have I seen people so unwilling to go after what is needed for a vehical to make it run and be safe to push the limits.

In the GN comunittys if you want something you have at least 50% of the board behind you and and you get it done. Trust me I have been on a lot of topics like 4" Down Pipes and External Waist gate Down Pipes all the way to 4" and even some trans stuff.

Im not trying to be a dick but people if you all want something stand up and flipping push to get it. Dont be so compliant to just go with the flow that just doesnt work :rant::2cents:

Again I dont want to bash what many of you have come up with its fine and dandy but for the average Joe that just wants a fun truck to drive and haul the family thats will also hall ass once in a while all the fancy crap is just to much dont ya think??

QUESTION - Does your wife like holding a laptop every time you take your ty or sy out for a nice drive or to a car show or to the track ???

MINE DOSNT! Can you blame her?????

 

[WyoSyclone]

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QUESTION - Does your wife like holding a laptop every time you take your ty or sy out for a nice drive or to a car show or to the track ???

MINE DOSNT! Can you blame her?????

I never take anyone with me when datalogging... I strap my laptop into the passenger seat, go for a nice run, go back to the shop, and build my next tune while looking at at-least four parameters, and usually five or six.... it's NO BIG DEAL, and I can do it when I want without having someone tell me to slow down or whatever. I'm not familiar with Scantool, but how in the world do you tune looking at one parameter in real time while driving??

The title of this thread is scan tool for knock only. I thought what was being asked for was a simple 'Knock Indicator'.... just that simple - and that's what I'll talk to my buddies about building, not a tuning tool. Unless I'm mistaken (please correct me if I'm wrong), I'm thinking a simple knock warning indicator is all that is being asked for. If that's the case why spend $249 for Scanmaster when a nice knock warning indicator could be built and sold for $150, or less??

 

[Luke]

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Who lets their wife even ride in their trucks?

 

[turbodig]

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I never take anyone with me when datalogging... I strap my laptop into the passenger seat, go for a nice run, go back to the shop, and build my next tune while looking at at-least four parameters, and usually five or six.... it's NO BIG DEAL, and I can do it when I want without having someone tell me to slow down or whatever. I'm not familiar with Scantool, but how in the world do you tune looking at one parameter in real time while driving??

The title of this thread is scan tool for knock only. I thought what was being asked for was a simple 'Knock Indicator'.... just that simple - and that's what I'll talk to my buddies about building, not a tuning tool. Unless I'm mistaken (please correct me if I'm wrong), I'm thinking a simple knock warning indicator is all that is being asked for. If that's the case why spend $249 for Scanmaster when a nice knock warning indicator could be built and sold for $150, or less??

I think you pretty much have the "need" part nailed, Rob... something to display knock.

Ron G. did a scanmaster equivalent prototype about 10 years ago. It's tough connecting to our datastream due to timing issues. Buick and Camaros have relatively constant datastreams.

You could actually make a board like the moates G1 that had a connector to get the integrated knock signal... you could then time that and determine a "knock" value from it.

It wouldn't work with ultimates or any of the multichips, though.

 

[WyoSyclone]

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I think you pretty much have the "need" part nailed, Rob... something to display knock.

Ron G. did a scanmaster equivalent prototype about 10 years ago. It's tough connecting to our datastream due to timing issues. Buick and Camaros have relatively constant datastreams.

You could actually make a board like the moates G1 that had a connector to get the integrated knock signal... you could then time that and determine a "knock" value from it.

It wouldn't work with ultimates or any of the multichips, though.

Thanks Dig.... I'll PM you with what I'm thinking about.....

 

[attackdog]

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Has this gone any further? I need something to indicate knock also. If there is knock, what can you do to get rid of it. I already have Methanol spraying into the top of the motor. I thought that would take care of it, but I guess not.
-Dean

 

[ed hess]

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Fwiw I have an msd unit with the external module if anyone is interested

 

[JSM]

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Couple people with code59 are running the knock output now, if you have a code59 tune and don't need your hand held on every little detail we might be able to help.

 

[attackdog]

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What are you asking for the MSD unit? I am not running Code59 but am looking for alternatives for us that aren't running it. Thank you.
-Dean