What does it take to beat an LS1 in the 1/4???

[neat]

I was wondering how much $$$ it would take to make your average syty outrun an LS1 power'd F-body in a complete 1/4 mile race. I have a 99 T/A right now (see sig.) and am considering a syty for a daily driver. I know a healthy syty will destroy an F-body in a stoplight race or an 1/8 mile, but what about at at a 1/4 mile track?

I want my syty to run with my T/A and be dependable. If I had to choose between one or the other, I will take reliability, but fast is also good.

So what gives??? How much $$$?

Oh ya, one last question. What about from a freeway roll of say 65 or 70 mph. Would my new syty even have a chance?

TIA! :smile:

 

[dave fisher]

to do it right.. you need about $900 bones and you'll but a ty in the low low 13's... spend about 1200 and you'll be in the high 12's.. not much money is needed at all.. but a lot of damn patients, nerves, swearing, and extra skin on your knuckles will help alot.. reliable? id say keep the T/A as the daily.. Ty for the weekend warrior stuff..

 

[neat]

reliable? id say keep the T/A as the daily.. Ty for the weekend warrior stuff..

I wanted the AWD due to climate conditions here in UT. My 2WD T/A is a real beotch in the snow. I've spent quite a bit of time on this board and have started to draw the conclusion the syty's are not the most reliable vehicle in the world. I also think that tracking down tuning issues can be a real PITA.

Come on guys, convince me to go with a syty and not a VR-4 for an AWD daily driver!

_________________
1999 Torch Red WS6 T/A - 6 speed
312 RWHP, 324 RWTQ
Best NA 1/4 ET- 13.94 @ 103 mph (4700 ft)
Best N20 ET- 13.19 @ 111 mph (4700 ft)

Both with 2.3 sixty foot times

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[InvisiBill]

I've never taken my Sy (K&N in the stock airbox, hotwired Jabsco with rubber hoses) to the track, but the sales crap lists the Sy's 1/4 as 13.4-13.5, with most magazines still getting 13s with their tests. My friend's 00 SS with intake and exhaust and all the little stuff runs consistent 13.3s... Overall I'd say it'd probably be pretty close in the 1/4, stock vs. stock, though the LS1 will be going a lot faster when it gets there.

I've noticed a lot of newcomers buying highly modded trucks that turn out to have a lot of problems lately. I bought a bone-stock Sy with 77k in March. I changed the cap and rotor and plugs (I really should do those wires sometime). I replaced the dead IC pump (?, may have just been the fuse but I already had the Jabsco by then) and redid the lines with rubber heater hose. I replaced the brake pads and had the idler arm replaced. I just recently did the heater core. I have Moog balljoints on the way, and neeed new tires. My propshaft also has a torn boot. I've got 107k on it now, and that's all I've had to do to it.

Stock trucks seem to be easier to diagnose, especially compared to not knowing exactly what mods have been done to it. When you start adding mods into the equation, you not only have to deal with whether something is working or not, but you also have to consider tuning (which seems like a delicate matter with these trucks). Daron's truck is one of the best examples of tuning. Mostly stock (reliability mods, replacing "barely adequate" OEM parts with the high performance versions) but with lots of tuning, he's got a time of 12.42 in his sig, about a full second faster than stock. "92 black typhoon" on the other hand, has quite a few mods including a bigger turbo and is still getting 13s.

If you can find a well-maintained stock SyTy and don't mind maintaining it, I think you can have a reasonably reliable truck...

 

[sycloned]

They run anywhere from 12.9-13.6 stock....Takes a helluva driver to get them into the 12's. Avg driver with a good running M6 will run 13.3, auto with traction problems may run 13.6........

 

[Tooky]

When I raced my friend in his 01 Camaro SS versus my Syclone with thermostat and drop-in air filter, and bald tires limiting my launches to 1 PSI, it pretty much went like this (on the street.) Off the line I would get about 2 full lengths (I could get 3 or 4 lengths with decent tires), then he would stay there till about 60, he would begin gaining slowly, then at approx 80 he would start gaining really hard and pass me, then kind of stay about 1 car in front of me as we passed 1/4 mi. At the dragstrip our best ETs were within one tenth of each other (his 13.2 to my 13.3) but my MPH was 98 and his MPH was like 107!!

I think with good tires and fixing a few more of my knock retard problems, I will be able to lay waste to him on the street and it will be a close one in the strip but I will in. Well until he adds more mods anyways but I'm still running the stock chip and turbo and everything on my Sy.

 

[TurboRob]

I think if you compare modified with modified, you'll find the LS1 to be much faster in the 1/4. It's probably very close stock vs. stock, but I think the F-bodies respond better to mods, once the traction problem is addressed. This is in the context of a 1/4 mile race, not a street race.

My '93 Z28 ran 11s in the 1/4 mile with only FIPK, headers, exhaust, roller rockers, cam & nitrous. It was 100% reliable and only had about $3K in performance mods.

As far as reliability goes, the TA probably gets the nod there too. I love my Syclone, but it is tempermental. Again, it's tough to compare a ten year old vehicle with a new vehicle for reliability.

I can't believe a TA with a 6-speed is even driveable during the winter out there! Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

The 3000GT isn't supposed to be super-reliable either, especially when it comes to the tranny. I guess the Stealth version is better with less gadgets that are prone to breaking, but the tranny is still a weakness.

If you want reliable AWD with power, buy a WRX and modify it :smile:

 

[92Ty]

If you want reliable AWD with power, buy a WRX and modify it :smile:

Yeah, you wish!! Once you upped the boost the tranny will crap out on you. It's also another notorious weak tranny car. If you want an AWD, go with the first gen Talon or Eclipse. If you have the money, then buy an Audi S4.

 

[neat]

On 2002-02-01 14:24, TurboRob wrote:
I think if you compare modified with modified, you'll find the LS1 to be much faster in the 1/4. It's probably very close stock vs. stock, but I think the F-bodies respond better to mods, once the traction problem is addressed.

I've got a set of Mickey Thompson ET streets in my basement right now. Just waiting for the snow to melt so I can try them at the track. My LS1 makes peak power at about 5700 rpms, if (and that is one hell of an "if") I could drop the clutch at about 5k have the tires stick, the clutch hold, and the rear end hold together, I think I would be right with a syty off the line. Unforutnately I can't use ET street's as daily driver tires so in the end the street belongs to the syty.

As far as reliability goes, the TA probably gets the nod there too. I love my Syclone, but it is tempermental. Again, it's tough to compare a ten year old vehicle with a new vehicle for reliability.

When you say "tempermental" do mean it won't run ocassionaly, or it doesn't run optimally ocassionaly? Optimum performace would not be a neccessity 100% of the time, but getting to work is.

I can't believe a TA with a 6-speed is even driveable during the winter out there! Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Dude, you have absolutely no frickin' idea. Why do you think I am tracking down an AWD. I probably could of paid for a damn syty with the money I spent on tow trucks this winter. The worst part is that I would get stuck in stupid places. Intersections where I had to stop at a light, 5% grades I was trying to climb, and drainage trenches along the edges of intersections are some of my favorites.

The 3000GT isn't supposed to be super-reliable either, especially when it comes to the tranny. I guess the Stealth version is better with less gadgets that are prone to breaking, but the tranny is still a weakness.

I dunno, I haven't searched for any info on them yet. I'll take your word for it though.

If you want reliable AWD with power, buy a WRX and modify it :smile:

Sorry, 10 to 12k is all I can afford. I would also like to stick with a GM product. I know I mentioned a VR-4 earlier, but I really want a Syclone.

_________________
1999 Torch Red WS6 T/A - 6 speed
312 RWHP, 324 RWTQ
Best NA 1/4 ET- 13.94 @ 103 mph (4700 ft)
Best N20 ET- 13.19 @ 111 mph (4700 ft)

Both with 2.3 sixty foot times

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[ABLITZ]

get a old beater 4x4 pick up 4 the winter.u dont wanna put a 12k sy in the ditch.

 

[FLSY2730]

i run et streets on my 99ss with only 12lbs of air when i go to the track or street racing. The car has 3.73 gears, all the traction aiding equipment and it wont hang with the trucks out of the hole but it will run it down on the big end.When i first purchased the car in 99 , i changed the gears to 4.10 and put a kn filter in it and went to the track and ran 13.04 on the first pass and 12.96 on the second pass bone stock except for the gears and the filter. Now it has nawwwssssssssssss !!!!!! and headers and some other minor bolt ons and will put it on any stock syclone, well except for mine but that is not stock. jack ostrander

 

[sytyfreak]

On 2002-02-01 19:11, neat wrote:

When you say "tempermental" do mean it won't run ocassionaly, or it doesn't run optimally ocassionaly? Optimum performace would not be a neccessity 100% of the time, but getting to work is.

could sombody be kind enough to answer this question :smile: ??? i've never heard any complaints about a syty that wont start, but i would like to know hear the answer to this question from you guys.

thanx

_________________
1999 Torch Red WS6 T/A - 6 speed
312 RWHP, 324 RWTQ
Best NA 1/4 ET- 13.94 @ 103 mph (4700 ft)
Best N20 ET- 13.19 @ 111 mph (4700 ft)

Both with 2.3 sixty foot times

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[sytyfreak]

OMG what did i just do??? please forgive me for that mess...

 

[Tooky]

On 2002-02-01 18:51, 92Ty wrote:

If you want reliable AWD with power, buy a WRX and modify it :smile:

Yeah, you wish!! Once you upped the boost the tranny will crap out on you. It's also another notorious weak tranny car. If you want an AWD, go with the first gen Talon or Eclipse. If you have the money, then buy an Audi S4.

Surely you both must be kidding!?? Especially the First Gen DSM - I always hear of transfer cases going out and how the cars are such money pits. I have never heard of a SyTy transfer case going out, that I can remember (although I'm sure it's happened). I can think of maybe 2 people whose front differential let go after 100K+ miles and no one whos rear end ever blew. How does that LS1 rear end handle launching those 11 sec 1/4s with sticky tires?

I like the LS1s and think they are very fast but someone has to play devils advocate here.

 

[FLSY2730]

right, the rears do not hold up well in the f bodys, thats why i have 3.73 gears in there now because i broke the carrier and 6 teeth off the ring gear at the track with the 4.10 in there. i am looking into getting a strange rearend for it soon. they are fun to drive with spray but still not as fun as driving the sy or ty IMO. jack ostrander

 

[JimmyM]

On 2002-01-31 16:32, neat wrote:
I was wondering how much $$$ it would take to make your average syty outrun an LS1 power'd F-body in a complete 1/4 mile race.

Here's some good stuff....
http://www.enzoco.com/mike/syclone/cheap.htm

 

[Ty0279]

geeze, I'd pay someone $1,000 to get my Ty into the 12's for a grand.

 

[Mephisto]

maybe im the only one whos fucked up here, or maybe i didnt understand the original post.

you have a WS6, but you want to get a truck thats 1 in 2998 ever made, because it has AWD and use it as a daily driver in the snow? and you want the power of an F body in the snow? why would you want to buy a limited edition truck, to rust it out, possibly run it into a ditch, and put a shit load of miles on it as a DD? when you already have a car with a lot of power, is newer and probably more reliable? just because the sy has AWD and power???? if ya want that, buy one of those AWD astro vans and drop a good motor in it, thatll cost you about 12g's :lol:

but if you really want a sy, then i have to agree with an earlier post, keep the WS6 as your DD, and keep the sy as your weekend warrior.

dont mean to sound like a dick, id just hate to see a sy/ty get rusted out, and possibly totaled, theres not that many left as it is!

 

[neat]

On 2002-02-03 17:07, Cold Wind Of Death wrote:
maybe im the only one whos fucked up here, or maybe i didnt understand the original post.

you have a WS6, but you want to get a truck thats 1 in 2998 ever made, because it has AWD and use it as a daily driver in the snow?

I agree with not wanting a limited edition vehicle to be rusted out or totaled. But how many syty's on here are daily drivers? I think most of them are.

and you want the power of an F body in the snow?

Like I said earlier the power thing is secondary to reliability.

why would you want to buy a limited edition truck, to rust it out, possibly run it into a ditch, and put a shit load of miles on it as a DD?

Like I said, I think most syty's are DD's. What is the point of owning a vehicle you are afraid to put miles on?

when you already have a car with a lot of power, is newer and probably more reliable?

I agree, my TA is extremely reliable, unless there is some snow n the road.

just because the sy has AWD and power????

I need an AWD vehicle to get around with. I was going for the most amount of cool points possible, hence the syty. If you don't think it is worth driving, due to the chance of wrecking it, or the miles it will rack up that is your opinion.

I dont mean to sound like a dick, id just hate to see a sy/ty get rusted out, and possibly totaled, theres not that many left as it is!

What is wrong with wanting a syty as a daily driver?! Someone tell me. Is it the miles? I see a lot of trucks FS on here with 100k plus. Is it the chance of an accident? Please, that is any vehicle. So what gives?

 

[Tooky]

I agree with the sentiment posted by Cold Wind of Death. Maybe I am only speaking for myself here but I get the feeling you don't have the respect for the SyTys as something special; you give the impression that you just want something that's AWD for control in hazardous weather, and an engine with some power and the SyTys merely happen to fit the bill. Meanwhile a bunch of the rest of us are people whose childhood dreams came true when we finally got our SyTys, so it's a little disturbing when someone is so nonchalant about the vehicles, on top of the fact that driving it daily especially through the winter will greatly accelerate the wear on the body and chassis.

Also I think you are mistaken as to how many are daily drivers. I can think of a handful but I don't think it is anywhere near what you said ("most on here are daily drivers"). I bet it isn't even the majority. I am only 21 but the Sy surely isn't my daily driver. I would love to be able to drive it every day but I just wouldn't do that to my truck especially since I live in Wisconsin where road salt eats the exterior. I know there are a sizable amount of people who do use their SyTys as dailys but they still have reverence for their vehicles.

As for being afraid to put on miles, I'm not that bad, I put on 10K miles in the past year since I got my Sy, which is a lot and I don't plan to put as many on this year. But on the other hand I think the difference is when you are talking about using it for mundane tasks like grocery shopping or driving to work or whatever. Then it is kind of just using the vehicle because it's there, not because you are spending quality time and enjoying the ride because it's special. I guess this sounds a little carried away but I beleive this will explain the misunderstanding.

That's only my opinion though..