What does it take to beat an LS1 in the 1/4???
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Stangfreek
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You guys are kind of out of control here. There's nothing wrong with wanting a Sy/Ty to drive every day. I drive mine most of the time, and drive the Mustangs when weather permits. I buy cars to drive and enjoy, not to coddle. I take care of mine, but they also get used. To try and talk somebody out of getting one of these trucks because you don't like how he will use it is dumb. Lay off.
I used my Ty as a daily driver. Currently it sees weekend use very rarely. Of course having it sitting in different shops for three months doesn't help either. I had it out this weekend. There isn't any snow on the roads here - but plenty of leftover salt. I guess my thoughts are this...........
I work. I paid for my Ty. I will drive my Ty. I will drive it in the snow. I will drive it in the rain. Because it is mine. I have a greater respect for the SyTy than most people I know. I fell in love with the SyTy when they first came out. When I was looking to buy a new (used) car I thought about the ULTIMATE vehicle. What makes the ultimate vehicle?
To me it is:
Speed
Handling
Traction - I am from the midwest - I will drive in the snow
Looks
Functional
I could only think of one vehicle that would meet those criteria. And I have one. I take it to buy groceries. I take it to dinner. I drive it to work. I have used it to move. I have hauled around computer parts. I have had firewood in it. I have washed it. I have changed the oil in it. I have waxed it - by the way is an all day project. I have performed regular maintainance on it. I bought it 4 years ago with 43K miles - it now has over 100K - you do the math. I get asked about the year because of how good of condition it is in. Those who have seen it - should agree - if not they are assholes :smile: I have driven it. I used it as a company vehicle. I got 34 cents a mile to drive the vehicle I love the most. I hated putting the miles on it. But, I did. When I bought it - I never planned on selling it. I probably won't sell it. It is mine. I worked for my toys. It is my hobby. It is my obsession. If someone has a Ty they are going to drive everyday and put miles on them it is going to make a low mile SyTy worth more. So instead of ridiculing some poor guy because he wants to drive his in the snow - think about how much more yours is going to be worth.
I work. I paid for my Ty. I will drive my Ty. I will drive it in the snow. I will drive it in the rain. Because it is mine. I have a greater respect for the SyTy than most people I know. I fell in love with the SyTy when they first came out. When I was looking to buy a new (used) car I thought about the ULTIMATE vehicle. What makes the ultimate vehicle?
To me it is:
Speed
Handling
Traction - I am from the midwest - I will drive in the snow
Looks
Functional
I could only think of one vehicle that would meet those criteria. And I have one. I take it to buy groceries. I take it to dinner. I drive it to work. I have used it to move. I have hauled around computer parts. I have had firewood in it. I have washed it. I have changed the oil in it. I have waxed it - by the way is an all day project. I have performed regular maintainance on it. I bought it 4 years ago with 43K miles - it now has over 100K - you do the math. I get asked about the year because of how good of condition it is in. Those who have seen it - should agree - if not they are assholes :smile: I have driven it. I used it as a company vehicle. I got 34 cents a mile to drive the vehicle I love the most. I hated putting the miles on it. But, I did. When I bought it - I never planned on selling it. I probably won't sell it. It is mine. I worked for my toys. It is my hobby. It is my obsession. If someone has a Ty they are going to drive everyday and put miles on them it is going to make a low mile SyTy worth more. So instead of ridiculing some poor guy because he wants to drive his in the snow - think about how much more yours is going to be worth.
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Awhile ago, I had looked into buying another rare performance car and asked a similar question and came back with the same don't destroy "this piece of history" stuff. It is your money you can do or destroy what you want with it. A lot of us are destroying these truck with modifications anyways. I would guess A syty would be good inclement weather if it had the proper snow tires. I would be careful about destroying the cladding.
My syclone is my main source of transportation, but I don't drive it daily or in bad weather or when there is salt on the road. I drive my wifes car instead. Do a search on reliability on this site, this topic is covered every month, it will give you an idea what your getting into. I personally love my truck and I wouldn't trade it for anything at its price level.
My syclone is my main source of transportation, but I don't drive it daily or in bad weather or when there is salt on the road. I drive my wifes car instead. Do a search on reliability on this site, this topic is covered every month, it will give you an idea what your getting into. I personally love my truck and I wouldn't trade it for anything at its price level.
what u missed was he wants something to drive in the snow...why drive a syty in the snow...if u put it in a ditch its gonna cost u hella cash to fix it..like i said b4 just get a old beater 4x4 and drive it in the winter...if ya wreck it who cares u didnt pay 12k for it...if ya want a sy or a ty thats cool..but it would be cheaper to fix that beater than a syty
Actually, what you missed was it is something that WILL see snow use. It isn't planned that this is going to be his winter vehicle. The weather conditions where he lives are those that will produce snow. Some of us don't want to drive a piece of crap blazer in the snow. Some of us do. Some of us don't want to take a huge degredation is performance when we go from our fun summer car to our slow ass, rusty, push it down a hill to get started, keep your feet away from the floorboards when it is raining, gotta know the "trick" to get it started, winter car. At least he didn't ask if it would be possible to mount a snow plow to the front. Some of us don't have the luxury of a winter vehicle. Some of us don't have a storage spot for our SyTy. Some of us don't give a rat's ass if we have to wash our truck because it got dirty. I like to wash my truck. If he wrecks it - he wrecks it. Have you ever heard of a truck getting wrecked in the summer??? I have. Have you ever heard of a truck getting wrecked in the southern states where there is NO snow??? I have. I know of a couple that have found the broad side of a deer. What the hell was HE thinking driving through a Deer Crossing with his Ty. Maybe he shoulda had deer whistles - that mighta helped. What about a certain person who had his truck in a GM dealership and someone backed into it - shoulda had it wrapped in a few mattresses before you parked it. I guess the only way you can protect your SyTy is to store it in a building, covered, wrapped in fireproof material, have an extra roof built just in case the first collapses - might as well park it in Fort Knox.
To the original poster - buy a Ty, mod it to beat your TA, take pics and if you wreck it in a snowstorm - don't mention it here. A Ty can easily be faster than a TA - just take your time - read the SyTy readme - talk to owners who have done it before you. Steve Gavic ran 12.8 with $1K in mods - that should beat MOST F-bodies.
To the original poster - buy a Ty, mod it to beat your TA, take pics and if you wreck it in a snowstorm - don't mention it here. A Ty can easily be faster than a TA - just take your time - read the SyTy readme - talk to owners who have done it before you. Steve Gavic ran 12.8 with $1K in mods - that should beat MOST F-bodies.
Not really a rant. Just a lot of talk about the preservation of SyTys. Maybe we should make a new group called PAST - Preservation of American Syclones & Typhoons. Only members with trucks that have never been modded - even as much as exhaust or new tires - can join. Gonna be a small group. To say one who drives their truck in the winter does not respect a SyTy is absurd. I can name a few people who are historical SyTy peeps who ALL drive their trucks in the elements.
Merk
Opie
Marty - rumor has it, he has driven the Marlboro in the winter
Does this make them any less of an enthusiast? I would say taking your truck to the strip is harder on it than driving it in the winter. I guess the reason it upset me is because I do drive my truck in the winter.
Merk
Opie
Marty - rumor has it, he has driven the Marlboro in the winter
Does this make them any less of an enthusiast? I would say taking your truck to the strip is harder on it than driving it in the winter. I guess the reason it upset me is because I do drive my truck in the winter.
Stangfreek
New member
GM Turbo you summed up my thoughts on the matter better than I even can. Thank You.
turbojimmy
New member
I agree. Thanks GM Turbo.
My Ty is my daily driver. Driving it in the snow and salt makes me cringe, but the alternative is driving some blend-into-the-crowd-econo-box. AWD gets me where I need to go whenever I want to go there, and it also keeps it out of the ditches. It's a daily driver like most people have never seen and it's a blast to own. It's my money dammit and if I want to buy a piece of history and wear it out that's what I'll do. It's metal, plastic, and glass. It can be repaired and restored (and probably will be in about 5 years). I keep up with it - I'll never let it fall into disrepair or rust away, but you will see it covered in dirt and road salt on occasion. If the GN had AWD, I'd be driving it instead.
Jim
Tooky
Serious about performance
Guys, I am entitled to my opinion. I am not saying he shouldn't get a SyTy. I really can't do anything about if he gets one or not. The way he came across was something like this.
"I have a Trans Am right now that I am using as a daily driver year round thru heavy snow and I put it in to the ditch you don't want to know how many times. I like having power but I need something with better traction. My Trans Am is RWD so something with AWD would be an improvement. The SyTy still has the power I like but also has the AWD to help me in the snow. I think I will get a SyTy."
The reason I made comment on that is because nothing in it shows respect for the SyTy as an awesome vehicle of it's own merits, just that of the AWD really. Is respect a requirement to own a SyTy? No, absolutely not. But I still think the lack of it warrants comment. I am not going to hold a grudge for anyone who buys a SyTy for reasons I don't like, I just thought I would throw out my opinion. That is all.
"I have a Trans Am right now that I am using as a daily driver year round thru heavy snow and I put it in to the ditch you don't want to know how many times. I like having power but I need something with better traction. My Trans Am is RWD so something with AWD would be an improvement. The SyTy still has the power I like but also has the AWD to help me in the snow. I think I will get a SyTy."
The reason I made comment on that is because nothing in it shows respect for the SyTy as an awesome vehicle of it's own merits, just that of the AWD really. Is respect a requirement to own a SyTy? No, absolutely not. But I still think the lack of it warrants comment. I am not going to hold a grudge for anyone who buys a SyTy for reasons I don't like, I just thought I would throw out my opinion. That is all.
I would say that they usually will get you from point "A" to point "B", but being properly tuned with all engine controls and accessories working properly is another matter.
The thing I would watch out for is the fear factor - fear of damaging something that is difficult and expensive to repair. I originally bought mine as a daily driver because I was moving to Maine. I figured the same thing, want power, need AWD, always wanted a Syclone. Then I got it, really liked it, realized how expensive things like cladding are, thought about how rare they are, bought the WRX as a daily driver. Now the Syclone only gets driven about 5K miles/year and that's strictly for fun and to car events.
As it turns out, I didn't move, so the AWD is pretty pointless in Florida. I'm still glad I have the Sy as a fun vehicle and the WRX as a daily driver though.
M
MP of CT
Guest
I understand both sides of the discussion. I have a 94 TA GT that I recently built a motor for. I also bought a 93 TY to use as my ill weather driver. I bought it six months ago with 20k miles on the clock, I just passed the 30k mile mark. My advice, if you have the $'s, go for it. I don't usually drive when it really snows, but so far I have driven it twice in serious snow, and it performed great. I always like TY's, and after owning one for the last half year, I absolutely love them. They have their drawbacks (damn heater cores!) like anything else, but considering what else I might have bought, I couldn't be happier. I also feel they are not really that outragously priced when you consider what a new SUV would cost you, the X5 or ML500 will easily cost you 40k + more. At least that's how I justified it to the wife :smile:
Peace...
Peace...
InvisiBill
Active member
As a high performance vehicle in bad weather, SyTy's do alright. Just because you drive it in the snow or whatever doesn't mean that you don't take care of it (as was stated with the Merk/Opie/Marty example above). It just means you have to pay a little more attention to it, so it doesn't turn into a PoS.
However, buying a SyTy as a "winter beater" seems a little stupid to me. They are known for being picky about stuff, and always needing work in some form. If you do go in a ditch, it'll probably cost you some big bucks (the front bumper cladding alone is just under $1000). And generally the higher performance tires aren't too great in the snow, which doesn't make things any better. There are better winter vehicles that are cheaper and more reliable...
In short, deciding to get a SyTy for winter driving just because it's AWD is a bad idea. However, deciding that you can drive your SyTy in the winter if you have to is acceptable. Just my two cents as well... In the end, it's your money and you're free to do as you wish with it.
However, buying a SyTy as a "winter beater" seems a little stupid to me. They are known for being picky about stuff, and always needing work in some form. If you do go in a ditch, it'll probably cost you some big bucks (the front bumper cladding alone is just under $1000). And generally the higher performance tires aren't too great in the snow, which doesn't make things any better. There are better winter vehicles that are cheaper and more reliable...
In short, deciding to get a SyTy for winter driving just because it's AWD is a bad idea. However, deciding that you can drive your SyTy in the winter if you have to is acceptable. Just my two cents as well... In the end, it's your money and you're free to do as you wish with it.
dave fisher
New member
im going to break this down once and for all..
having a Ty as a daily driver is fun, and exciting, BUT.... you must be prepared for ALOT more things to happen as reguarding road liability. These trucks were made, as everyone knows, for stoplight, 0-60, and 1/4 bashes. GM didnt spend a whole lot of time perfecting them, thats why the have alot of parts that are not the highest quality and need to be replaced.
the F-bodies(i had a 95 Z28) suck for rain and snow, ice, ect. the components in these cars are very reliable, the cars are mass produced so they HAVE to be.
thats why in my original post i suggested buying a Ty, they are awesome, but dont use it as a daily, snow, road salt will eat the cladding faster that you know what happend, and anyone can tell you, thats one of the most expensive parts of the car.
if you really want a 4wheel drive. buy a 4x4 Jimmy, Blazer, Tahoe, Truck, whatever.. just remember that these trucks are VERY rare, and should be treated as such.
having a Ty as a daily driver is fun, and exciting, BUT.... you must be prepared for ALOT more things to happen as reguarding road liability. These trucks were made, as everyone knows, for stoplight, 0-60, and 1/4 bashes. GM didnt spend a whole lot of time perfecting them, thats why the have alot of parts that are not the highest quality and need to be replaced.
the F-bodies(i had a 95 Z28) suck for rain and snow, ice, ect. the components in these cars are very reliable, the cars are mass produced so they HAVE to be.
thats why in my original post i suggested buying a Ty, they are awesome, but dont use it as a daily, snow, road salt will eat the cladding faster that you know what happend, and anyone can tell you, thats one of the most expensive parts of the car.
if you really want a 4wheel drive. buy a 4x4 Jimmy, Blazer, Tahoe, Truck, whatever.. just remember that these trucks are VERY rare, and should be treated as such.
Holy crap, I had no idea what I was getting into here. For you to assume that I have no respect for these automobiles based on a few internet posts is absurd. I realize I may have come accross in such a fashion, but for you to take it to this extreme without knowing me...
I have a tremendous respect for SyTy's and think they are some of the coolest vehicles on the road. I simply do not see what is wrong with wanting a cool daily driver. Why should I be berrated simply because I live in a climate that is not summer year round?
It looks to me like it's split about 50/50. In the end I will do what I wish with my money, and I appreciate all the replies. However I agree with an earlier poster that said somehting like this, "to try to talk him out of buying a syty because of the way he will use it is stupid."
Again, thanks for all the replies; and please try not to flame me too bad, I wasn't trying to start a flame war.
buy one!!!!
i drove my sy through some deep ass snow and shit for a couple of winters(had to) i's still in the same shape as if i wouldn't have done it.. reliability----the main thing people don't mention that is important is that they arelike other cars reliability goes with type of driving!!!! i drove mine really hard and its been very reliable but like anything else ifyou beat it to death/that could change unless you get a lemon to start out with..
buy one they are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
i drove my sy through some deep ass snow and shit for a couple of winters(had to) i's still in the same shape as if i wouldn't have done it.. reliability----the main thing people don't mention that is important is that they arelike other cars reliability goes with type of driving!!!! i drove mine really hard and its been very reliable but like anything else ifyou beat it to death/that could change unless you get a lemon to start out with..
buy one they are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tooky
Serious about performance
"Neat", I apologize. I was upset at the time about the way I thought you were referring to our trucks. Now that it is later I have realized I was really the most upset about myself; I was afraid my truck would appear less valuable if others were using them nonchalantly. In reality I'm sure it won't make a difference to me so you have my blessing to do whatever you wish :smile: Not that you need my "blessing" or anything, I'm just trying to say that I hope there's no hard feelings.
Daron
Active member
I drive the Sy all the time, at my choosing. If it is real bad out I can drive the Honda, but I just cant bring myself to parking the Sy for long. It gets driven in snow and does rather well.
Rust? Yup, the sy's front fenders are rusty up underneath. At 98 bucks a piece, no big deal. Tailgate is a little rusty at the inside bottom, same deal. It is all relative, I have no problems driving the truck in all weather because I know that sooner or later, most sheet metal will be replaced, frame detailed and suspension re-done. I bought the truck to enjoy. I dont worry about saving it for the next owner, it is mine to enjoy now. I didnt buy it as an investment.
The Ty on the other hand is our weekend cruiser. It was daily driven for years, until about 3 years ago. Now it stays out of the elements so I dont have to wash it much. It was a great daily ride and handled the weather well. Since we are the original owners, I am more inclined to preserve it.
Different folks, different strokes.
Rust? Yup, the sy's front fenders are rusty up underneath. At 98 bucks a piece, no big deal. Tailgate is a little rusty at the inside bottom, same deal. It is all relative, I have no problems driving the truck in all weather because I know that sooner or later, most sheet metal will be replaced, frame detailed and suspension re-done. I bought the truck to enjoy. I dont worry about saving it for the next owner, it is mine to enjoy now. I didnt buy it as an investment.
The Ty on the other hand is our weekend cruiser. It was daily driven for years, until about 3 years ago. Now it stays out of the elements so I dont have to wash it much. It was a great daily ride and handled the weather well. Since we are the original owners, I am more inclined to preserve it.
Different folks, different strokes.