One last shot... Breaking up!

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I ended up ordering the Siemens 63# injectors from racetronix if anyone is curious. I asked around and that's proven injector for our trucks. I was going to experiment with 66#ers they offer but I've got enough issues! Hopefully I will know by the end of the week :tup:


Oh and turboj91... you're to blame if this doesn't solve my problem!!!! LOL just kidding around, I was going to change them anyway :lol:
 

turboj91

New member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

"I'll eat my hat" if your problem does not go away after the injector change and a Nolan retune.

I just might have to come down there, pick up the truck and bring it up here and then return it fixed. hmmm, I might have just over extended myself but I'll live up to it. I love a good challenge.
 

SloGN

9Sec Alky V6
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

How would you flow them? If it is just for max flow (running static) like they do to match them, then the test is worthless. He has no issues at WOT under boost so they flow great running static.

If you have the ability to check their progressive flow and response time, now were talkin.

If when he makes the change and the problem goes away, you would know that they had a problem of some type. I have my theories but am quiet til the end.


I can check each injector for respose time MS and linear flow at diffrent pulse widths.
 

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I can check each injector for respose time MS and linear flow at diffrent pulse widths.

I'd be curious to check my 50's to see if they "show" anything. At least that can prove they're with out a doubt my problem. If they do by chance test to be ok then I can sell them as being good to recover a little bit of $ from the injector upgrade that I was going to do anyway. PM me the details if you want to check them for me.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I can check each injector for respose time MS and linear flow at diffrent pulse widths.

Never ceases to amaze me at the resources and levels of help available on this site.

On another note, really looking forward to finding out if the injectors solve your problem. Good luck.

My 50s were a pain and then the same 63s that you have went in and BAM, fast truck.

Subscribing....
 

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Never ceases to amaze me at the resources and levels of help available on this site.

On another note, really looking forward to finding out if the injectors solve your problem. Good luck.

My 50s were a pain and then the same 63s that you have went in and BAM, fast truck.

Subscribing....

:tup: good to hear! I will definitely keep everyone posted. Been chasing this gremlin for years now and I'm not sure if I'm going to be happy or pissed of it is injectors. Either way I hear good things about those 63s so I can't go wrong! :fingers crossed:
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

That's the thing - you're not wasting money with these as they are a great upgrade for more power or more reliability. They're a known quantity so you really can't go wrong.

Unfortunately sometimes you have to throw money at a problem before it can be fixed. Ideally diagnosis but seems like you've gone down this route so the injectors are something you have to rule out.

Really looking forward to finding out if this is the fix.

One bit of caution, make sure you have some spare viton seals for the rail and the ports. In the rush to install mine aI tore a seal. use WD40 or some other grease to get them in ok and have some spares lying around.

Wish I could work on my truck!!!

Good luck dude...rooting for ya :tup:
 

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Injectors came in yesterday and I have a base tune ready to go. I'm at the racetrack all weekend with my dragsters so I won't be able to put them in untill monday after work! I'm dying to know myself... I will keep everyone posted!!! :tup:
 

cloneman315

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

man injectors never really go bad,and them 50s usually are a great inj,hope it fixes the prob.Might want to tighten them gaps up a bit also.
 

SloGN

9Sec Alky V6
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

OK guys



The verdict is in. The inj are not 50's just as i had excepted. I had ran into this issue on a friends ty and on a GN.


Here is what i found.

Matt actually labeled each inj as they were removed. so i just used that has the injector #.


Test 1 consisted of a full flow test @ 85% duty cycle. Fuel pressure set @ 43.5psi (standard pressure for inj ratings. unless ford svo inj. those are 40psi )

Inj 1- 44.3lb hr
inj 2- 45.5lb hr
inj 3- 45.7lb hr
inj 4- 46.7lb hr
inj 5- 46.3lb hr
inj 6- 46.3lb hr

All the injectors were cleaned prior to flowing to make sure the tests were accurate

next test consisted of 6-ms @2500 rpm again fuel pressure set @43.5. this test to see if the inj flows linear at low pulse widths

inj 1- 40.4lb hr
inj 2- 39.7lb hr
inj 3- 41.6lb hr
inj 4- 41.2lb hr
inj 5- 42.1lb hr
inj 6- 42.1lb hr

The next test was agin test @ low pulse widths 12ms@ 2500rpm fuel pressure @ 43.5

inj 1- 41.6lb hr
inj 2- 41.2lb hr
inj 3- 43.2lb hr
inj 4- 43.2lb hr
inj 5- 43.6lb hr
inj 6- 43.6lb hr


The inj being called a 50 and they actually flow in normal driving area as a 43. thats 7lb's an hour difference. I would think that when these inj were in the truck and in closed loop the long term fuel correction/block learn should have been in the 160's area as for it having to try and compensate.



The machine used for the flow test is a ASNU fuel inj tester that test various type of inj. and it has a wide range of operating areas.

It can do 3,6,12,ms with a rpm range from 600,1200,2500,5000,10,000. and you can set the ms and or rpm to what value you want.




I hope this may answer some questions anybody may have had on the so called 50's. delphi made the 009 inj as well and thos flow goofy as well. The biggest thing i dislike about these inj besides the low flow numbers is they are a disc style injector. they don't really tolerate higher fuel pressures over 50 psi and they have trouble opening.


but remember thats a delta of 50 psi or more. as the boost pressure rises so does the fuel pressure so the delta psi stays the same.
 
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TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Interesting. I think 60% of people I know complain about 50's. Now we know why.
 
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Nice work slogn. :tup: Might have been interesting to see what the injectors flowed right off the truck without cleaning. Good luck to boostedsuv. What a nightmare... you've got more patience and persistence than most folks.
 

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Patience Rob, patience! Lol I was racing all weekend with my dragster (went 7.16 @186mph btw :tup:) so I haven't been home to prove/disprove any theory. I'm going to try and leave work early tomorrow and get the new injectors in! First I have to meet up NJ93TY and get a new TB gasket and o-rings for the fuel lines. I will have an answer for everyone tomorrow night, tuesday night the latest!

I see the flow numbers and I'm not convinced that's what is causing my issue. If some one can explain it maybe I will understand better? Either way, new ones are going in and my fingers are crossed!!!!
 
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cloneman315

Active member
Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I also think there is another problem going on there,but hope that fixes it for sure.Unless one of thos einj has a problem.did you check and make sure you dont have a flow issue?bent or crushed line etc?
 
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BoostedSUV

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Checked all the lines from what I can see and all the orings were seated on the injectors and AFPR so I didn't see and obstructions. I also blew out the lines with compressed air
 
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