This is for those that get harassed by the cops...

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I found this info on another forum and thought I would share it with all of you... Now I know that most of us dont get harassed by the cops that often unlike some other vehicles. But I think it is good information to pass along to every enthusiast...

This is for those people who have gotten pulled over and had no wrong doing. I came across a site http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3407 I believe many people should know their rights who often get harassed by law enforcement who try and get people to pop their hoods. I carry this info in my car all the time now.
 
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Nice quick way to get a ticket , if a cop has a resonable reason to pull you over the can search the car
 
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I think this is for that one cop that is constantly stopping you every time you pass through his "Beat"... I dont think it is for a random stop or if a cop stops you for an actual infraction of the law..
 
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warmpancakes said:
Nice quick way to get a ticket , if a cop has a resonable reason to pull you over the can search the car
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He has to see something in the car. They can't just search your car until they arrest you. That's assuming your not a convict.
If you have the time, tell them "No thank you. I'll wait for the drug dog to sniff my car first."
When the dog finds nothing they will then have to make something up or go away.
I really hate this subject..... I had no tickets for 10 yrs. Got my 89 GTA and suddenly I get pulled over all the time for things I'm completely ignored for in my full size truck. I get the evil eye from every cop I pass in my GTA......It's not a rusted out POS either.
 
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if a officer pulls you over for a legal reason IE speeding he can search your car , supreme court just upheld it here in michigan guy was pulled over for a tweety bird air freshner hanging from the mirror found a gun and coke in the car court upheld the search was legal as the traffic stop was legal
 
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The air freshener was inside the car and they saw it. -pretty weak-
-ok so don't try it in Mi-

A legal stop doesn't always constitute sufficient cause for search. There was a case in cali many years ago. It was a legal stop but the search was thrown out.

Police will do what they think they can get away with depending on how old your are and how big you are. I've never had my car searched or been asked to. I don't fit any profiles. And I've got tickets in several states.

I saw a teenager get almost leveled from behind with a head lock for jaywalking and dragged to the curb . In front of 100's of people for a spring break "gathering" downtown. About 20 min later a 6' 250 lb weight lifter in his late 20's did it in almost the exact same spot and they were a little more "polite".
It was quite humorous to watch since the guy wouldn't stand still. About 7 surrounded him getting heckled all the while and making the guy even more nervous. Finally a calm officer talked him into standing still and he walked away later.
 
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Not sure I would flash the card personally, but I don't really do anything wrong either.

My brother back 12 yrs or so ago was in a car accident (his fault). While in the ambulance before being taken to hospital he asked the cop to get his backpack from his car. Cop took it upon himself to look inside the backpack and found money and a scale.

At the hospital he was arrested for possesian with intent to sell.

Court comes up, brother has a fairly good lawyer. Judge turned to the cop and said "Your first job is to stay out of peoples private lives, you had no reason to look in the backpack, case dismissed."

Got his stuff back money and scale. Still had a lawyer bill of course and I wouldn't suggest it. But it does happen.

Of course afterwards the cops carried his picture around and they got even couple times over.
 
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warmpancakes said:
Nice quick way to get a ticket , if a cop has a resonable reason to pull you over the can search the car
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That is false. Don't let your rights be infringed upon by rumors. I study law ;)

The biggest problem today is people getting information from people instead of researching and reading law documents for themselves. You can't always go on what others tell you. It truly is amazing how many rights you have. Just recently had a court date (I always sign not guilty for traffic tickets and such) and again the ticket was revoked by the officer after speaking with him. If I speak with them and they still do not revoke it. Then we have to go to court and I get to tell the Judge all of the rights that have been infringed upon. Once a police officer is in court, it is amazing how their attitude of intimidation ceases to exist. If a police officer breaks your rights during a confrontation, 90% of the time you will end up getting away with the offense based on a number of things. No lie, in the past 3 years I have been pulled over 7 times. 5 out of the 7 the judged threw the offense out of the court room. 1 of the tickets the officer revoked himself, and 1of those 7 times I got pulled over the officer gave me a break and let me off the hook.

As for flashing or giving the officer a card. It is possible he will understand that you could have a greater understanding of your rights then the avg. Joe. In my opinion this will either cause the officer to (1) give you a break (less of a chance for #1) (2) The officer will come down on you with the book and make sure he crosses all of his i and t's. (3) Challenge your rights and end up allowing you to get away with your offense in the courtroom after trying to intimidate you. I would guess #2 for those Officers who are intellect with self control. At least you won't have to deal with your rights being stomped and you will get treated fairly in comparison of your rights and law.
 
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I bet that card title wouldn't matter in Portland or SF.....
A lot depends on where you live afa how they treat people.
I've noticed the police are more polite here in IL where I live now.
 
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In Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U.S. 405 (2005), the United States Supreme Court held that the use of a drug-sniffing dog during a routine traffic stop does not unreasonably prolong the length of the stop so as to violate the Fourth Amendment.

If the dog can go through your car so can he
 
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It's different states, different laws....for you guys arguing about this or that not being true
 
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warmpancakes said:
In Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U.S. 405 (2005), the United States Supreme Court held that the use of a drug-sniffing dog during a routine traffic stop does not unreasonably prolong the length of the stop so as to violate the Fourth Amendment.

If the dog can go through your car so can he
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Trust me on this:
Your right about the words in the text. However you can not take this law out of context. This means the dog can smell on the outside of the car. It does not say the car can be searched by an officer, and it does not entitle a officer to let the dog go into the owners car. This would prolong the traffic stop, and it would also be breaking the Fourth Amendment.

If I was a lawyer, I could give hundreds of examples of other traffic stops, I could play out traffic stops with real officers and dogs, and I would be able to prove the fact the Supreme Court's best interest here include both law enforcement and citizens.

Now, once the dog smells the outside of the car. If the dog smells a illegal substance now they have cause to search the vehicle. By the way, a trained professional dog would be easily able to smell drugs on the outside of the vehicle. The courts, and law enforcement know this to be true. This is exactly why the law was created and considered not prolonging the traffic stop. :tup:

Did I mention, if I was the defendant...Suddenly I would have a great fear of dogs. This making it unreasonable to allow a dog in my vehicle unless the dog smelled something illegal on the outside of the car.

When I get pulled over, my window is only cracked. I don't have to get out, and I lock my doors. I always ask to see I.D. and a badge number. I immediately write down the info and then proceed to give the officer respect. I also keep my hands on the steering wheel and always in visibility of the officer. When you show respect, but also know your rights it goes extremely far to your advantage.

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It's different states, different laws....for you guys arguing about this or that not being true
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This is true, however as of today's date there is no State that allows for searches without probable cause. Just other laws like warmpancakes pointed out.
 
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warmpancakes said:
In Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U.S. 405 (2005), the United States Supreme Court held that the use of a drug-sniffing dog during a routine traffic stop does not unreasonably prolong the length of the stop so as to violate the Fourth Amendment.

If the dog can go through your car so can he
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Only if the dog alerts from the outside first. This has more to do with trunk access since they can't see in there and don't have reason to get into it if you've done nothing to get arrested for. I'm thinking if they waited for the dog then the officers involved follow a higher standard than some.
I've asked retired officers about some of my traffic stops and how the police acted during it and how I was treated for nothing more than speeding on a country road or the hwy. Basically some officers have a goal of so many arrests for x class of offense ie felonies.
And they get bent if it turns out they can't get you.

I currently use a hwy that's on the drug route to Chicago so the police patrol it more than other hwy's in the region.
 
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warmpancakes said:
In Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U.S. 405 (2005), the United States Supreme Court held that the use of a drug-sniffing dog during a routine traffic stop does not unreasonably prolong the length of the stop so as to violate the Fourth Amendment.

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Only if the dog alerts from the outside first. This has more to do with trunk access since they can't see in there and don't have reason to get into it if you've done nothing to get arrested for. I'm thinking if they waited for the dog then the officers involved follow a higher standard than some.
I've asked retired officers about some of my traffic stops and how the police acted during it and how I was treated for nothing more than speeding on a country road or the hwy. Basically some officers have a goal of so many arrests for x class of offense ie felonies.
And they get bent if it turns out they can't get you.

I currently use a hwy that's on the drug route to Chicago so the police patrol it more than other hwy's in the region.
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It truly is amazing how uneducated people are on their own rights. This is because many of the people who control this country don't want you to know them. Things are slowly changing and I really wish we all would get a grip on these political things going on. So much pork barreling its not even funny. That is another topic, but good post.
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MikeRenz said:
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Well, at least on this one Mike I can argue with some college education background. I'm working on my law degree and also have some criminal justice under my belt. I'm here trying to protect your rights. Not argue the facts that I already know. 4.0 grade point averages don't get pulled out of your ass. :rotf:

With that said, I'm getting back to researching Syclone stuff. Something that I can honestly admit to not knowing much about. :rant:
 
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just keep in mind that studying law and being an authority on law aren't the same thing. I grew up with a lawyer, and was constantly instructed on what the law was, asking questions about different scenarios, etc. Even a highly acreditted 30+ yr veteran lawyer misquoted the law. Moral of the story:
I think the best thing you said was telling people to read the law to find out their rights. Unfortunately it's written in such legal tongue that commonfolk have a tough time interpretting it.
 
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MikeRenz said:
just keep in mind that studying law and being an authority on law aren't the same thing. I grew up with a lawyer, and was constantly instructed on what the law was, asking questions about different scenarios, etc. Even a highly acreditted 30+ yr veteran lawyer misquoted the law. Moral of the story:
I think the best thing you said was telling people to read the law to find out their rights. Unfortunately it's written in such legal tongue that commonfolk have a tough time interpretting it.
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Could not agree more. I'm still trying to decide myself which avenue to take for a career. Do I want to be part of law enforcement, or do I want to be part of a law firm or possibly a private lawyer. Not only is there a difference between authority on law, and studying law, then you have those who have the power to decide for themselves what the real context it with the fate of other people in their hands. Now that is a great moral and ethic responsibility.
 
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